Stars 109 FO. 7 before the money.

[easyrider0]

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<font color="#C00000">Hero (t13784)</font>
BB (t15388)
UTG (t33590)
UTG+1 (t23085)
MP1 (t23814)
<font color="#C00000">MP2 (t13187)</font>
<font color="#C00000">CO (t15931)</font>
Button (t31419)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t13087</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t15831</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero ????</font>.

[djk123]

pretty sure this is a fold

[easyrider0]

Forgot ranges MP2: any SC/pair/pictures
CO made your typical 2,7bb raises, and shoved alot when he was down &lt;12BB

[djk123]

That range for MP2 shoving 13bbs seems pretty ridiculous, but if it were actually accurate then I'd shove. Against randoms I'd shove like TT+,AK.

[easyrider0]

that was his 6th or 7th allin shove in 20 hands
so even if he runs extremely well, and i consider an avarage run of 20 hands. His range would still be wide. Maybe not any pair, but definetly 55+ i feel i am facing a flip here nonetheless. im concerned about CO but i also have a chance to tripple here with few blinds and few to none spots on the table.

This is why i am confused here

[betgo]

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that was his 6th or 7th allin shove in 20 hands
so even if he runs extremely well, and i consider an avarage run of 20 hands. His range would still be wide. Maybe not any pair, but definetly 55+ i feel i am facing a flip here nonetheless. im concerned about CO but i also have a chance to tripple here with few blinds and few to none spots on the table.

This is why i am confused here

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The push for 13xBB seems strong, but if he keeps pushing, I would discount his and the callers hand strength somewhat.

I might push here with 22-TT, AT-AK, KQ and a few weaker hands.

I really think you are pretty close to pot odds, and it depends on whether you want to gamble to triple up or bust out. I ran it versus reasonable ranges for both villains, and I got about pot odds. I think it is probably a borderline fold.


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

40,908,782,376 games 93.969 secs 435,343,383 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.513% 24.90% 01.62% 10184662668 661522688.00 { TT-22, A8s+, K9s+, QJs, ATo+, KJo+ }
Hand 1: 42.908% 38.92% 03.99% 15922446876 1630537640.00 { 88+, AJs+, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 30.579% 26.16% 04.42% 10700591880 1809020624.00 { AQs }


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[Mench]

Close but I fold. I send it in with JJ+ AK.

[FGators]

easy,

you sure are advocating a call for a guy asking for advice in his original post.

I think this is a fold.

[easyrider0]

i'm not advocating anything. I am argumenting the reasons why i might call here, and why i might fold (CO reshove).

[LearnedfromTV]

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Close but I fold. I send it in with JJ+ AK.

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The reason I fold is that each of them have AK and AQ pretty much equally in their ranges, which makes AK a call and AQ a fold. Other than the [censored] situation where one of them has AK, you have to be worried about pair/AJ or pair/KQ. Your equity is actually ok in those spots, which is why shoving AK in is fine, but it's not as good as you need given the fact that domination is a real possibility:

xt results appended to pokerstove.txt

17,337,296,592 games 25.788 secs 672,300,938 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.674% 27.09% 02.58% 4697202240 447510676.00 { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 43.824% 41.39% 02.44% 7175695740 422221570.00 { 99+, AQs+, AKo }
Hand 2: 26.502% 23.62% 02.88% 4095792600 498873766.00 { AQs }

With AK you're around 30% equity, and the ranges I gave might be a little tight; CO may shove AJ for example, first guy might shove AT, A9. Also he probably doesn''t have QQ+