KK smoothcalled into horrible turn

kekedarius · #1 02-15-2007, 05:20 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($73.95)
BB ($51.95)
UTG ($99)
MP ($106.40)
Hero ($93)
Button ($30.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $4, Hero raises to $13, 3 folds, MP calls $9.

Flop: ($27.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $22, MP calls $22.

Turn: ($71.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero
Final Pot: $129.50

First orbit at table; villain is unknown. Is my only option here to push all-in and pray for the best? Checking will induce a bluff on the river, and I have no information thusfar. I have no idea where to go with this one.

delta k · #2 02-15-2007, 05:22 PM

i'd just shove or call any river, up to you. the only hands w/ an A are NFD really, and that's certainly in his range, but so is 88-QQ and other flush/straight draws.

Paul Thomson · #3 02-15-2007, 05:27 PM

I think a check is better. I don't think worse hands are calling our bet on the turn.

sixhigh · #4 02-15-2007, 05:31 PM

How can this be a horrible turn? If he's decent there's no way he has the A here (only the case Adxd). It's not the best card you want to see, because it will scare his QQ-88. You can just shove here, or bet a smaller amount and hope you don't scare away smaller PP's or check and snapcall his riverbet.

HoldEmNewby · #5 02-15-2007, 05:34 PM

check behind.

Praetor · #6 02-15-2007, 05:36 PM

why would you think this is a horrible turn?

easy check though.

soda · #7 02-15-2007, 05:50 PM

I think it's possible, but unlikely that the turn card hit your opponent (if I had to put a number on it ~20%). And if it didn't hit him, then it's a scare card and you will get little or no more money from underpairs if you bet again, whereas without the ace you could have stacked QQ, JJ, maybe lower.

Against most opponents, I would check here. A check says exactly what you want it to say, that ace missed me, don't worry, try a river bluff, or check call with your big pair - it might be the best hand. If villain bets the river, I'm calling most of the time against an unknown. I might fold to a river shove, maybe, probably, I dunno as that would be read dependent. If villain checks, I'm going to bet the most that I think a pair below mine will call.

Option two is betting the turn. I think this option should be around 1/3 pot to 3/4 pot depending on what you think your opponent might hold. I know it's tough without a read, but sometimes based on his timing or something else, you just feel like he's calling you down with an underpair and other times you can be sure he's on a draw. Bet less if your feeling is an underpair, more if your feeling is a draw and in the middle if you are unsure. With no history a random person is unlikely to try a C/R bluff on the turn, so folding to any C/R is probably a good idea.

I think shoving here is almost as bad as accidentally clicking the fold button.

soda