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09-17-2007, 01:30 AM
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$22 - 50/100 odd spot with 99
Hey, I am really deep in this one but have a read and a useful note on the utg limper. He has called one of my deep shoves w/ 33 after limping in (I think he called off like 12x). He is a loose donk, something like 35 vpip and would raise if he had TT+, AQo. I don't like going to 400 here as it puts in 1/4 my stack with a marginal hand where I'm not going to like too many flops. If he calls, the pot is like 900, he checks, I fire a c-bet of 500, he shoves, I might have to fold, leaving me with 900, which is AWFUL. I don't like limping here as he is going to call me pretty weak a lot of the time and I don't limp any hand this late usually (maybe 66-88).
Yeah, I know, I push too much deep, but with a good read on the opponent I think it's justifiable. Obviously this sucks if someone behind me picks up a hand. If they do tho and I only went to 400 and they shoves, since they are kinda short (and not great players), I don't see folding anyways. Full Tilt Poker No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t50/t100 5 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: t5810 CO: t3135 vers: t1745 SB: t1630 BB: t1180 Pre-flop: (5 players) vers is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG calls t100 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t150)</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">vers raises all-in t1745</font>, 3 folds. Uncalled bets: t1645 returned to vers. Results: Final pot: t350 
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#2
09-17-2007, 03:25 AM
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Re: $22 - 50/100 odd spot with 99
Vers,
No one is going to say they approve of this play. If you have a read on UTG, that's great, but it doesn't change the fact that people behind you could wake up to a hand. The standard line here is to raise to 350, fold to a push behind you and to call UTG's push. Anyone disagree?
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#3
09-17-2007, 06:12 AM
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Re: $22 - 50/100 odd spot with 99
Since utg limped, the pot is 100+50+100=250.
Effective BB is 250/1.5=167. You have 10.5 effective BB and a hand which really sucks to play postflop(this short) and a read that the limper will call you very often here into a 80-20 situation. Just shove it.
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#5
09-17-2007, 08:34 AM
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Re: $22 - 50/100 odd spot with 99
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Vers, No one is going to say they approve of this play. If you have a read on UTG, that's great, but it doesn't change the fact that people behind you could wake up to a hand. The standard line here is to raise to 350, fold to a push behind you and to call UTG's push. Anyone disagree? [/ QUOTE ] I do, 99 is profitable push for 17BBs against both guys behind us, and I would not want to raise/fold it as someone waking up behind us can easy have AK/AQ,KQ whatever and with the limper and the blinds, there's too much money in there too really like a fold unless you have a hard read on the blinds too. So just shoving here seems very fine, and I only dislike it, that I often don't find this nice soluation, when I'm in a similiar situation. The only exception would be that you shoved him last time only some minutes ago, so it could be now just a trap on you. If I guess, Villain could trapping me here, I probably only call it preflop.
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#9
09-17-2007, 08:45 AM
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Re: $22 - 50/100 odd spot with 99
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No way 99 for 17xbb is a profitable push. [/ QUOTE ] Do your homework. It would be slightly profitable to open-push with 17BBs from the BU against the blinds. (Allthough there might be more profitable/balanced way to play the hand). Ask your ICM-tool. It's even independent from calling ranges here. With the limper, situation changes, but he is described as loose/but folding, so 99 should be good against him.
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