QQ - in position against aggro player on A high flop

[obi_wang]

Villain was aggro.

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2.16 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (4.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 6.16 BB

[shane88888]

I don't understand the flop check.

If you're going to check the flop, I'd raise the turn and reevaluate. If you're opponent is thinking, the flop check/turn raise line is an awesome weapon short-handed.

You might also want to try the short-handed forum. Was this a full table that went short?

[mr_whomp]

You should usually continuation-bet this flop.

[Mr. Orange]

I also don't understand the flop check. Bet and evaluate from there.

[obi_wang]

usually i will c-bet, but against my aggro opponent, i felt like checking the flop in this situation would induce villain to bluff lead the turn/river much more with a worse hand, since he doesnt put me on the Ace. If he has crap, or a hand like eights even, he might lead turn if i check behind on flop, but if i c-bet flop, he would just fold. Against very aggro opponents, is this an ok line? i felt like i was WA/WB on flop, and just wanted him to bet and i call.

[mr_whomp]

After the flop all you have is a pair of queens, why give a free card?

[chimpanzepoopdic]

[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]Bet flop. If no bet flop, raise turn. Free card bad. Lead Good. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[IcarusJam]

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[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]Bet flop. If no bet flop, raise turn. Free card bad. Lead Good. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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[Harv72b]

The free card doesn't really matter--if we're ahead on the flop then villain has 5 outs maximum (okay, 8 outs if he's got 86 or 64), if we're not, then we almost certainly have just 2.

Actually, if you believe that this villain is both aggro enough to fire 2 rounds into you when you show weakness, and straightforward enough to check/fold the flop when you bet, then I like this line. The problem is that this is an insanely rare combination for a small stakes player--most guys who would fire the turn &amp; river without the ace would also peel the flop without it (especially if he does have a pair). Further, a lot of aggro players will actually fear the slowplay when you check through such a dry, ace high flop, and just check/fold the turn without top pair or better.

In that light, you are almost always better off just betting the flop. Since this opponent is aggressive, I could deal with checking through the turn &amp; calling a river bet, vs. betting the turn &amp; checking through the river. The one exception might be when your opponent is so tricky/aggressive that you believe he'd check/raise the flop &amp; fire two more barrels without the ace.

[obi_wang]

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The free card doesn't really matter--if we're ahead on the flop then villain has 5 outs maximum (okay, 8 outs if he's got 86 or 64), if we're not, then we almost certainly have just 2.

Actually, if you believe that this villain is both aggro enough to fire 2 rounds into you when you show weakness, and straightforward enough to check/fold the flop when you bet, then I like this line. The problem is that this is an insanely rare combination for a small stakes player--most guys who would fire the turn &amp; river without the ace would also peel the flop without it (especially if he does have a pair). Further, a lot of aggro players will actually fear the slowplay when you check through such a dry, ace high flop, and just check/fold the turn without top pair or better.

In that light, you are almost always better off just betting the flop. Since this opponent is aggressive, I could deal with checking through the turn &amp; calling a river bet, vs. betting the turn &amp; checking through the river. The one exception might be when your opponent is so tricky/aggressive that you believe he'd check/raise the flop &amp; fire two more barrels without the ace.

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thanks