NL100 - AKs, flush draw, reraised pot, easy turn shove?

RyanCMU · #1 07-03-2007, 02:29 PM

Villain in this hand is a 20/7/3 multi tabling regular, who I think is pretty awful... Unsure how he views me, I have been playing pretty tight at this table cause Ive been pretty card dead. However, I'm not sure if villain has PT or keeps notes on our previous play, we have tangled a lot in the past, usually with me showing down pretty strong hands and winning. No interesting history or relevant hands I can think off.

Anyways, my thinking on the turn is that if I fire and get called its not the end of the world, as I likely have mucho outs. And also, he may fold TT-QQ?

This might even be standard? So who fires turn here and who takes the free card? Is the turn shove standard, and Yea I think I should have sized my flop bet better.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($61.40)
BB ($43.25)
UTG ($100.50)
UTG+1 ($105.05)
MP1 ($87.50)
MP2 ($18.50)
MP3 ($89.50)
CO ($142.80)
Hero ($102.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to $4, 1 fold, MP3 calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $18, 2 folds, MP1 calls $14, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($41.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $25, MP1 calls $25.

Turn: ($91.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $45

Thrahl · #2 07-03-2007, 02:39 PM

As you said flop bet should be bigger. I take the free card on the turn since Hes pretty much pot committed and it doesn't look like hes going to let go of his JJ/QQ.

AmonRaa · #3 07-03-2007, 02:55 PM

More on flop, take fee card, you have no fold equity.

RyanCMU · #4 07-03-2007, 02:58 PM

So both of you don't think he folds TT-QQ enough here to make betting the turn worthwhile? What if we were deeper?

Do we agree on that his range here is probably TT-QQ and not much else? Do you think its wider then that?

Assume, we check turn through, and the river is an A or a K and in both cases villain shoves, are we calling?

CalledDownLight · #5 07-03-2007, 02:58 PM

Me thinks the flop bet is standard. I shove this turn too, pretty standard and you do have some FE.

Acein8ter · #6 07-03-2007, 03:01 PM

I think your turn bet is good... If he does have an overpair TT-QQ, your A/K outs are good, plus the nut FD...

AmonRaa · #7 07-03-2007, 03:20 PM

He called big pf reraise, he called your flop bet. He is holding a pair. He has already 43$ in the pot and he's not folding for 44$ more.

If you have a read that he'll often fold it though, then go ahead and put it in.

RyanCMU · #8 07-03-2007, 03:25 PM

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He called big pf reraise, he called your flop bet. He is holding a pair. He has already 43$ in the pot and he's not folding for 44$ more.

If you have a read that he'll often fold it though, then go ahead and put it in.

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If this was posted from villains point of view, and he had played JJ this way up til the turn, would you advocate calling or folding if you were villain and why?

Also see my above post, what would u do in those river situations?

AmonRaa · #9 07-03-2007, 03:48 PM

If it was deeper or pot not so inflated by the turn pushing would be the right play. Here as I said is read dependant. I could lay down jacks pf no problem depending on how i saw you. But you say he is terrible and sice he has half of stack already in he could just call in spite even though expecting he was beat.
If ace comes on the river and he pushes, i'd guess you have to call since its only half of pot.

Johnes Benjamin · #10 07-03-2007, 03:55 PM

I think if he's at all decent he's totally folding JJ. It is very possible he didn't want to fold up until this point, but a turn shove definitely has fold equity and it is certainly possible that TT,JJ would have called until this point. QQ you might have more difficulty folding out, but that should happen sometimes as well since you have rep'd something better (though, again, flop bet....)

I think a turn shove is a good line

If I take a card and he shoves a river A/K I am pretty uncomfortable. I'm thinking, "why the [censored] would he wait until I catch to shove QQ?"
Weird line with AA/KK though. Maybe he'd be hoping you catch up with a/k, but not likely.
he couldn't have been too afraid of a set with your preflop action.
I guess I would hope he turned his TT into a bluff and at this point I don't think I could really fold. Splitting is not likely as floating to this point w/o the hearts you hold is insane

Actually, this kinda sucks. I think I'm folding to a push b/c he has AA/KK here a lot.
I think turn push is still good, though i might just take a card b/c with this much pre its less likely you have the draw (AK only real possibility) and you can get paid off when you hit a lot. Also, he'll likely lead river with AA b/c he's afraid of you checking behind, and at that point his stack is (practically) in