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#1
05-06-2007, 09:53 AM
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overcards (sigh)
Villain is 17/2,3/1,19 ('Rock' according to my autorate) over 260 hands, only real read I have is that he raises ATs preflop.
Poker Stars Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.25/$0.5 9 players Converter Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls. Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9SB, 4 players) Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, 2 folds. Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Hero calls. River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.5BB, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Hero...? 
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#4
05-06-2007, 10:32 AM
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Re: overcards (sigh)
I'd go ahead and lead on the flop. Yeah, there's three opponents and it'd be impossible to chase them all, but the board is paired and the likelihood that you still have the best hand is larger than average. This bet is for value.
Also, the raise-preflop-check-flop line signals to anyone who knows what they're doing — and Villain's stats clearly state that he didn't just come in off the banana boat — that you have AK and whiffed. He's more than likely taking you to Valuetown with something like 88/99. Hell, he's a rock, TT and JJ are probably in that range, too. Betting might signal to him that you have a Q or an overpair.
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#5
05-06-2007, 11:33 AM
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Re: overcards (sigh)
[ QUOTE ]
Also, the raise-preflop-check-flop line signals to anyone who knows what they're doing — and Villain's stats clearly state that he didn't just come in off the banana boat — that you have AK and whiffed. [/ QUOTE ] I'm going to point out that a lot of time when I see this line that the villian didn't whiff, but rather hit the flop hard (i.e. set). -J
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#6
05-06-2007, 11:39 AM
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Re: overcards (sigh)
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[ QUOTE ] Also, the raise-preflop-check-flop line signals to anyone who knows what they're doing — and Villain's stats clearly state that he didn't just come in off the banana boat — that you have AK and whiffed. [/ QUOTE ] I'm going to point out that a lot of time when I see this line that the villian didn't whiff, but rather hit the flop hard (i.e. set). -J [/ QUOTE ] True, but in those instances, the turn action would have been much different. If villian in this hand is value betting anything, he is wise to go ahead and bet the river, so our hero, who is a good player, can fold his UI overs, but most donks will call cause they have AK.
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#7
05-06-2007, 11:50 AM
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Re: overcards (sigh)
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, the raise-preflop-check-flop line signals to anyone who knows what they're doing — and Villain's stats clearly state that he didn't just come in off the banana boat — that you have AK and whiffed. [/ QUOTE ] I'm going to point out that a lot of time when I see this line that the villian didn't whiff, but rather hit the flop hard (i.e. set). -J [/ QUOTE ] True, but in those instances, the turn action would have been much different. If villian in this hand is value betting anything, he is wise to go ahead and bet the river, so our hero, who is a good player, can fold his UI overs, but most donks will call cause they have AK. [/ QUOTE ] Just to clarify, I was not disagreeing w/the advice given inre the hand, but rather simply pointing out that a raise pf followed by a check is not always missed overs [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. -J
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#8
05-06-2007, 11:56 AM
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Re: overcards (sigh)
I would bet this flop on the basis that the paired board means the opposition are likely to have missed their hands. Having checked, even the flop call is questionable against this guy. I would definitely fold the turn, so folding the river is a given.
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#10
05-06-2007, 02:34 PM
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Re: overcards (sigh)
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Villain is 17/2,3/1,19 ('Rock' according to my autorate) over 260 hands, only real read I have is that he raises ATs preflop. Poker Stars Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.25/$0.5 9 players Converter Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls. Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9SB, 4 players) Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, 2 folds. Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Hero calls. River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.5BB, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Hero...? [/ QUOTE ] standard flop c-bet, check/fold turn, you don't have the odds to draw to your hand. You're probably up against AQo, A7s, KQ, JJ.
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