Stars 22+1r+A CL with 15 left, blow-up or bad luck?

rubenrtv · #1 09-17-2007, 09:37 AM

Last night I played the Stars 22$ Semi-freezeout, I'd been playing my absolute A game and was pretty much walking over my table.

We were down to 15 players (first 5.7k) and I was in first with about 350k. Nr 2 had about 180k. This is where it starts, is this bad luck or did I make some mistakes?

BTN had repopped me once before. This was the third time in a row I raised and I was convinced he was making a play. Correct move?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t351015)
Button (t89300)
SB (t77985)
BB (t27248)
UTG (t69592)
MP1 (t158511)
MP2 (t208778)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t12000, Button raises to t29999, 2 folds, Hero raises to t350615 Button calls t58901 (All-In).

I have been raising an awful lot in LP and expect BB to push weaker Aces or Kings even in this spot.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t231267)
SB (t189400)
BB (t82385)
UTG (t50096)
MP1 (t61192)
MP2 (t158911)
CO (t209178)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t12000, 1 fold, BB raises to t81985, Hero calls t69985.

Flop: (t165970) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t165970) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t165970) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t165970

Literally the next hand:
I believe my hand is good enough vs his range?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t148882)
Button (t187000)
SB (t168770)
BB (t49696)
UTG (t60792)
MP1 (t158511)
MP2 (t208778)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t12000, 2 folds, BB raises to t49296, Hero calls t37296.

Flop: (t100592) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t100592) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t100592) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t100592

Cbet good?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t5000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t87386)
SB (t177100)
BB (t161870)
UTG (t99092)
MP1 (t52092)
MP2 (t206311)
CO (t198578)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t13000, 1 fold, BB calls t8000.

Flop: (t24000) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t24000

Push good?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t5000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t45386)
SB (t177100)
BB (t203870)
UTG (t99092)
MP1 (t52092)
MP2 (t191311)
CO (t213578)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t44886, SB raises to t176600, 1 fold.

Flop: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t92272

Thnx in advance

levAA · #2 09-17-2007, 09:42 AM

I think your KJs is too weak to play against a 3-bet from button, i would fold - if you want you can call because of the good pot odds - but you have hit the flop very good to continue. i'd never 4-bet with KJs.

donquay · #3 09-17-2007, 10:56 AM

1st hand: the last time he repopped you, was it a similar sized raise? as it is I wouldn't think he's reraising super wide considering he put in 1/3 of his stack..so you don't have the FE necessary to re-resteal...I might call it but not shove...maybe a stop-n-go if you're intent on putting him to a decision

hand 2: standard.

hand 3: if you're raising into a bb with that stack I think you have to be prepared to call a shove from him

hand 4: how much are antes? I might just shove it preflop

hand 5: definite shove

rubenrtv · #4 09-17-2007, 11:02 AM

[ QUOTE ]
1st hand: the last time he repopped you, was it a similar sized raise? as it is I wouldn't think he's reraising super wide considering he put in 1/3 of his stack..so you don't have the FE necessary to re-resteal...I might call it but not shove...maybe a stop-n-go if you're intent on putting him to a decision

hand 2: standard.

hand 3: if you're raising into a bb with that stack I think you have to be prepared to call a shove from him

hand 4: how much are antes? I might just shove it preflop

hand 5: definite shove

[/ QUOTE ]

He repopped me with about the same weird amount yes.
Antes are 500.

I actually thought about hand 1 for a while and then concluded he was FOS. After my push he went in the tank for about 10 seconds and then called with 97hh. He spiked a 9 to ship the pot.

erc007 · #5 09-17-2007, 02:05 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Last night I played the Stars 22$ Semi-freezeout, I'd been playing my absolute A game and was pretty much walking over my table.

We were down to 15 players (first 5.7k) and I was in first with about 350k. Nr 2 had about 180k. This is where it starts, is this bad luck or did I make some mistakes?

BTN had repopped me once before. This was the third time in a row I raised and I was convinced he was making a play. Correct move?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t351015)
Button (t89300)
SB (t77985)
BB (t27248)
UTG (t69592)
MP1 (t158511)
MP2 (t208778)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t12000, Button raises to t29999, 2 folds, Hero raises to t350615 Button calls t58901 (All-In).

I have been raising an awful lot in LP and expect BB to push weaker Aces or Kings even in this spot.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t231267)
SB (t189400)
BB (t82385)
UTG (t50096)
MP1 (t61192)
MP2 (t158911)
CO (t209178)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t12000, 1 fold, BB raises to t81985, Hero calls t69985.

Flop: (t165970) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t165970) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t165970) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t165970

Literally the next hand:
I believe my hand is good enough vs his range?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t148882)
Button (t187000)
SB (t168770)
BB (t49696)
UTG (t60792)
MP1 (t158511)
MP2 (t208778)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t12000, 2 folds, BB raises to t49296, Hero calls t37296.

Flop: (t100592) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t100592) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t100592) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t100592

Cbet good?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t5000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t87386)
SB (t177100)
BB (t161870)
UTG (t99092)
MP1 (t52092)
MP2 (t206311)
CO (t198578)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t13000, 1 fold, BB calls t8000.

Flop: (t24000) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t24000

Push good?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t5000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t45386)
SB (t177100)
BB (t203870)
UTG (t99092)
MP1 (t52092)
MP2 (t191311)
CO (t213578)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t44886, SB raises to t176600, 1 fold.

Flop: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t92272

Thnx in advance

[/ QUOTE ]

The only hands that you could have played differently IMO are the KJs and the QJo. If you're on the final table bubble and your open-raising a lot (like u should be as CL) random players are more likely to wait for a hand to trap u with, rather than play back at you light. This is not always true, but i think it takes more than a previous 3-bet to conclude that this is a str8 resteal.

In the QJo button raise, i think i check behind with your stack. There are a some good cards that could come on the turn that i would bet/call/raise such as an A;T;Q;J. With an Ace , u can rep it, a 10 u can semi-bluff OESD, and a Q/J you're prob ahead of his range. This is (generally speaking) a good flop to c-bet, but i think i check behind here.

Overall i like your play, and i wouldn't lose any sleep over this.

rubenrtv · #6 09-17-2007, 04:00 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Last night I played the Stars 22$ Semi-freezeout, I'd been playing my absolute A game and was pretty much walking over my table.

We were down to 15 players (first 5.7k) and I was in first with about 350k. Nr 2 had about 180k. This is where it starts, is this bad luck or did I make some mistakes?

BTN had repopped me once before. This was the third time in a row I raised and I was convinced he was making a play. Correct move?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t351015)
Button (t89300)
SB (t77985)
BB (t27248)
UTG (t69592)
MP1 (t158511)
MP2 (t208778)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t12000, Button raises to t29999, 2 folds, Hero raises to t350615 Button calls t58901 (All-In).

I have been raising an awful lot in LP and expect BB to push weaker Aces or Kings even in this spot.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t231267)
SB (t189400)
BB (t82385)
UTG (t50096)
MP1 (t61192)
MP2 (t158911)
CO (t209178)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t12000, 1 fold, BB raises to t81985, Hero calls t69985.

Flop: (t165970) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t165970) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t165970) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t165970

Literally the next hand:
I believe my hand is good enough vs his range?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t148882)
Button (t187000)
SB (t168770)
BB (t49696)
UTG (t60792)
MP1 (t158511)
MP2 (t208778)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t12000, 2 folds, BB raises to t49296, Hero calls t37296.

Flop: (t100592) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t100592) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t100592) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t100592

Cbet good?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t5000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t87386)
SB (t177100)
BB (t161870)
UTG (t99092)
MP1 (t52092)
MP2 (t206311)
CO (t198578)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t13000, 1 fold, BB calls t8000.

Flop: (t24000) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t24000

Push good?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t5000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t45386)
SB (t177100)
BB (t203870)
UTG (t99092)
MP1 (t52092)
MP2 (t191311)
CO (t213578)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t44886, SB raises to t176600, 1 fold.

Flop: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t92272

Thnx in advance

[/ QUOTE ]

The only hands that you could have played differently IMO are the KJs and the QJo. If you're on the final table bubble and your open-raising a lot (like u should be as CL) random players are more likely to wait for a hand to trap u with, rather than play back at you light. This is not always true, but i think it takes more than a previous 3-bet to conclude that this is a str8 resteal.

In the QJo button raise, i think i check behind with your stack. There are a some good cards that could come on the turn that i would bet/call/raise such as an A;T;Q;J. With an Ace , u can rep it, a 10 u can semi-bluff OESD, and a Q/J you're prob ahead of his range. This is (generally speaking) a good flop to c-bet, but i think i check behind here.

Overall i like your play, and i wouldn't lose any sleep over this.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks for your advice [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

There were some other hands with villain in hand 1 that made me believe he would come over the top very lightly in this spot.

About his call; 97hh is a fold here right?

And you're right about the QJ hand, villain c/r bluffed me ai with J9o

erc007 · #7 09-17-2007, 05:09 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Last night I played the Stars 22$ Semi-freezeout, I'd been playing my absolute A game and was pretty much walking over my table.

We were down to 15 players (first 5.7k) and I was in first with about 350k. Nr 2 had about 180k. This is where it starts, is this bad luck or did I make some mistakes?

BTN had repopped me once before. This was the third time in a row I raised and I was convinced he was making a play. Correct move?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t351015)
Button (t89300)
SB (t77985)
BB (t27248)
UTG (t69592)
MP1 (t158511)
MP2 (t208778)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t12000, Button raises to t29999, 2 folds, Hero raises to t350615 Button calls t58901 (All-In).

I have been raising an awful lot in LP and expect BB to push weaker Aces or Kings even in this spot.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t231267)
SB (t189400)
BB (t82385)
UTG (t50096)
MP1 (t61192)
MP2 (t158911)
CO (t209178)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t12000, 1 fold, BB raises to t81985, Hero calls t69985.

Flop: (t165970) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t165970) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t165970) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t165970

Literally the next hand:
I believe my hand is good enough vs his range?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t148882)
Button (t187000)
SB (t168770)
BB (t49696)
UTG (t60792)
MP1 (t158511)
MP2 (t208778)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t12000, 2 folds, BB raises to t49296, Hero calls t37296.

Flop: (t100592) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t100592) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t100592) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t100592

Cbet good?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t5000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t87386)
SB (t177100)
BB (t161870)
UTG (t99092)
MP1 (t52092)
MP2 (t206311)
CO (t198578)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t13000, 1 fold, BB calls t8000.

Flop: (t24000) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t24000

Push good?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t5000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t45386)
SB (t177100)
BB (t203870)
UTG (t99092)
MP1 (t52092)
MP2 (t191311)
CO (t213578)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t44886, SB raises to t176600, 1 fold.

Flop: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t92272

Thnx in advance

[/ QUOTE ]

The only hands that you could have played differently IMO are the KJs and the QJo. If you're on the final table bubble and your open-raising a lot (like u should be as CL) random players are more likely to wait for a hand to trap u with, rather than play back at you light. This is not always true, but i think it takes more than a previous 3-bet to conclude that this is a str8 resteal.

In the QJo button raise, i think i check behind with your stack. There are a some good cards that could come on the turn that i would bet/call/raise such as an A;T;Q;J. With an Ace , u can rep it, a 10 u can semi-bluff OESD, and a Q/J you're prob ahead of his range. This is (generally speaking) a good flop to c-bet, but i think i check behind here.

Overall i like your play, and i wouldn't lose any sleep over this.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks for your advice [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

There were some other hands with villain in hand 1 that made me believe he would come over the top very lightly in this spot.

About his call; 97hh is a fold here right?

And you're right about the QJ hand, villain c/r bluffed me ai with J9o

[/ QUOTE ]

U mean he had 97hh in hand #1? As long as you guys weren't deep into some kind of metagame 3rd/4th level game of chicken...button was getting almost 2 to 1 after your 4-bet.
If your 4-betting range is: 99+;AJs+;AQo+, then he has 30% equity vs. your range, so his call is slightly EV-. Given that your read was correct, your 4-bet also should have had decent FE IMO. FWIW i think that you outplayed him in this hand.

rubenrtv · #8 09-18-2007, 01:31 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Last night I played the Stars 22$ Semi-freezeout, I'd been playing my absolute A game and was pretty much walking over my table.

We were down to 15 players (first 5.7k) and I was in first with about 350k. Nr 2 had about 180k. This is where it starts, is this bad luck or did I make some mistakes?

BTN had repopped me once before. This was the third time in a row I raised and I was convinced he was making a play. Correct move?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t351015)
Button (t89300)
SB (t77985)
BB (t27248)
UTG (t69592)
MP1 (t158511)
MP2 (t208778)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t12000, Button raises to t29999, 2 folds, Hero raises to t350615 Button calls t58901 (All-In).

I have been raising an awful lot in LP and expect BB to push weaker Aces or Kings even in this spot.

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Hero (t231267)
SB (t189400)
BB (t82385)
UTG (t50096)
MP1 (t61192)
MP2 (t158911)
CO (t209178)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t12000, 1 fold, BB raises to t81985, Hero calls t69985.

Flop: (t165970) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t165970) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t165970) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t165970

Literally the next hand:
I believe my hand is good enough vs his range?

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Hero (t148882)
Button (t187000)
SB (t168770)
BB (t49696)
UTG (t60792)
MP1 (t158511)
MP2 (t208778)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t12000, 2 folds, BB raises to t49296, Hero calls t37296.

Flop: (t100592) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t100592) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t100592) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t100592

Cbet good?

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Hero (t87386)
SB (t177100)
BB (t161870)
UTG (t99092)
MP1 (t52092)
MP2 (t206311)
CO (t198578)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t13000, 1 fold, BB calls t8000.

Flop: (t24000) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t24000

Push good?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t5000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t45386)
SB (t177100)
BB (t203870)
UTG (t99092)
MP1 (t52092)
MP2 (t191311)
CO (t213578)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t44886, SB raises to t176600, 1 fold.

Flop: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t223986) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t92272

Thnx in advance

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The only hands that you could have played differently IMO are the KJs and the QJo. If you're on the final table bubble and your open-raising a lot (like u should be as CL) random players are more likely to wait for a hand to trap u with, rather than play back at you light. This is not always true, but i think it takes more than a previous 3-bet to conclude that this is a str8 resteal.

In the QJo button raise, i think i check behind with your stack. There are a some good cards that could come on the turn that i would bet/call/raise such as an A;T;Q;J. With an Ace , u can rep it, a 10 u can semi-bluff OESD, and a Q/J you're prob ahead of his range. This is (generally speaking) a good flop to c-bet, but i think i check behind here.

Overall i like your play, and i wouldn't lose any sleep over this.

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Thanks for your advice [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

There were some other hands with villain in hand 1 that made me believe he would come over the top very lightly in this spot.

About his call; 97hh is a fold here right?

And you're right about the QJ hand, villain c/r bluffed me ai with J9o

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U mean he had 97hh in hand #1? As long as you guys weren't deep into some kind of metagame 3rd/4th level game of chicken...button was getting almost 2 to 1 after your 4-bet.
If your 4-betting range is: 99+;AJs+;AQo+, then he has 30% equity vs. your range, so his call is slightly EV-. Given that your read was correct, your 4-bet also should have had decent FE IMO. FWIW i think that you outplayed him in this hand.

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Yes indeed, he made the call in hand 1 with 97s. I also felt like I outplayed him, but I thought his call was sickening.

levAA · #9 09-18-2007, 01:36 PM

I think this post is a good opportunity for a basic request to all:

Please use the quote function in a sensible way.

Quote passages you want to refer to.

Please don't quote whole posts, and please never do that a priori.

This leads - like in this post to a terrible mess, where it's very hard for following up posters to get a line.

Frank Zappy · #10 09-18-2007, 01:53 PM

First hand: KJs, after Villain raise there's 50K in the Pot and Villain has 50K behind, so I like the Push here. What are we going to do, stop and go? It's even money going in and that about where we are.

Second hand: AK on the button and we get allin PF...is that a bad thing?

Third hand: 66 There's 70K in the pot and it costs us 40K to call makes it an easy 1.7-1 call.

Fourth hand: semi obvious blind steal w/QJ.

People say that there's no such thing as a 'rush' but people also said that a curveball is an optical illusion. After getting clipped on three consecutive hands, the urge is to go into turtle mode and wait for a really good hand but now we're in Orange Zone territory and need to add back to the stack. It's gut check time, do we feel good about it or do we pass and I could just as easily pass this up.

Fifth Hand: K9 on the Button in the Death Zone in chips. Easy Push.

The only semi-questionable hand is the QJ and that's a coin flip on weather to play or not.