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Old 10-28-2007, 05:04 AM
tannenj tannenj is offline
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villain is 17/11.5/2 and attempts to steal about 13% of the time. my image is 22/18/3 and i've been active. no history.

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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MP: $420.70
CO: $1,202.70
BTN: $672.70
SB: $899.20
Hero (BB): $561.40
UTG: $248.80

Pre-Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG calls $4, 2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $18</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $14, UTG folds

Flop: ($42) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $32</font>, Hero calls $32

Turn: ($106) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($106) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks

thoughts on the line so far? and if he bets, how big do you check-raise?
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Old 10-28-2007, 05:39 AM
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Default Re: river trap

if you think this is Ax a good amount, or if he bets this river against with an overpair then this is fine. if he wont bet those hands but will call with them, then bet
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Old 10-28-2007, 05:40 AM
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Default Re: river trap

well, what do you think? i provided the bit of read that i had.
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Old 10-28-2007, 05:41 AM
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Default Re: river trap

i think vs this guy it's better to bet.
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Old 10-28-2007, 05:46 AM
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Default Re: river trap

Halfpot turn and river. He should raise you with a set because 67 and 2x are unlikely. If you don't do that he's just gonna pot control and maybe not even bet with 88+.

Not really a fan of preflop unless you think this tight guy is gonna pay off a lot, or if you can succesfully c/r bluff him a bunch (or something else to make this profitable).
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Old 10-28-2007, 05:48 AM
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Default Re: river trap

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Not really a fan of preflop unless you think this tight guy is gonna pay off a lot, or if you can succesfully c/r bluff him a bunch (or something else to make this profitable).

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Assuming UTG is gonna call, this call isn't too bad.
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Old 10-28-2007, 05:49 AM
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lol at preflop being bad. i don't hate 3betting, etc., but i'd rather postflop be discussed.
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Old 10-28-2007, 05:50 AM
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I check raise the flop sometimes. Around 10 outs and some FE make it profitable, but calling looks fine too.

The turn is the trickiest street. This player is just checking behind so many hands that may call a bet, especially since it's pretty hard to put you on a hand. This is a spot I don't mind making a fishy looking bet of $60. Representing some weak bluff or blockish bet that didn't really like the ace, but figures he didn't either.

The river is a bet. He has some mediocre made hand that he's just playing a pot control line with. He's checking the turn to call a bet on the river and either check it down if checked to or occasionally squeeze a small amount of value. He's calling a check raise just about never so it's kind of irrelevant. So you have either betting or checking for value. I think he may call $80, but won't value bet anywhere near that (the few times he does value bet!) so I prefer betting the river.
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Old 10-28-2007, 05:57 AM
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grunch

I think he checks behind his overpair too often here.
I also dont think he will call a c/r no matter how big.
So i like just betting out the river and getting a call more often than he will bet himself.
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Old 10-28-2007, 06:00 AM
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Guys with a 13% attempt to steal in general don't valuebet thin. He certainly ain't betting an overpair to the flop. I can actually see him checking behind here with alot of Ax holdings (its 4 to a straight!).

I'd bet the river myself.
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