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Old 07-04-2007, 02:04 PM
aholthaus33 aholthaus33 is offline
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Default I think this is a horrible fold after the fact......??

Talking with a buddy about this hand and he said I need to get all my chips to the middle. Both Polano and Fairwead had been showing solid hands only.

6-max table, I don't think long on a big table to fold. Chip stacks are a bit odd where if I 4-bet it has to go in I think?

Should I ever be folding here?

Full Tilt Poker Game #2848973243: $10,000 Guarantee (21307496), Table 37 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:42:37 ET - 2007/07/04
Seat 1: andy78 (1,114)
Seat 2: maripesss (5,525)
Seat 3: MrIvyLeague (2,410)
Seat 4: polano (13,988)
Seat 5: fairwead (6,895)
Seat 6: SRYISNAPDU2 (5,188)
andy78 posts the small blind of 40
maripesss posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SRYISNAPDU2 [Tc Td]
MrIvyLeague folds
polano raises to 240
fairwead raises to 840
SRYISNAPDU2 has 15 seconds left to act
SRYISNAPDU2 folds
andy78 folds
maripesss folds
polano folds
Uncalled bet of 600 returned to fairwead
fairwead mucks
fairwead wins the pot (600)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 600 | Rake 0
Seat 1: andy78 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: maripesss (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: MrIvyLeague didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: polano folded before the Flop
Seat 5: fairwead collected (600), mucked
Seat 6: SRYISNAPDU2 (button) didn't bet (folded)
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:18 PM
mike1601 mike1601 is offline
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Default Re: I think this is a horrible fold after the fact......??

easy fold
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:26 PM
aholthaus33 aholthaus33 is offline
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Default Re: I think this is a horrible fold after the fact......??

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easy fold

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Why do you say this then? I thought it was at first then my buddy, who is a very strong online tourney player, said he gets it in there most of the time.
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Old 07-04-2007, 03:51 PM
fairwead27 fairwead27 is offline
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Default Re: I think this is a horrible fold after the fact......??

If results matter, I checked the hand history... I had jacks.
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Old 07-04-2007, 04:05 PM
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Default Re: I think this is a horrible fold after the fact......??

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If results matter, I checked the hand history... I had jacks.

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Put you right there. Damn st8t! [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Old 07-05-2007, 01:22 PM
McMelchior McMelchior is offline
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Default Re: I think this is a horrible fold after the fact......??

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easy fold

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Why do you say this then? I thought it was at first then my buddy, who is a very strong online tourney player, said he gets it in there most of the time.

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Because there's a raise and a re-raise from players with more than 80 BBs, and you have 65 BBs.

There's 15BB in the pot when the action reaches you.

If you push you're most likely only getting called by hands that dominate or are coinflips against you, like QQ+ and AK. Chances - based on your read - are pretty high that re-raiser has exactly that range.

You're 36/64 against that range. When you get called you lose around 16BB of equity.

So you need both players to fold more than 50% of the time to make this play marginally profitable.

Are they going to do that?
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Old 07-05-2007, 02:12 PM
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Default Re: I think this is a horrible fold after the fact......??

Fold. Calling is bad cause you are not closing the action and are OOP with a really vulnerable hand. Shoving pre with 65BB is pretty bad against two tight players that raised and re-raised preflop. You will get called only by JJ+ and AK probably. So folding defintely seems like the best option.
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