$1/$2 live. Top two pair, flush card hits the turn

[BWillie]

Hero is in MP and dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero $290
BB $355

CO raises to $10. BB calls, UTG+1 calls, HERO CALLS. MP2 calls.

FLOP ($53)
K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks. UTG+1 checks. Hero bets $30. MP3 folds. CO calls. BB calls.

TURN ($143) 3 players
7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB bets $30. HERO calls. CO folds. (basically at this point, I was almost positive the BB hit his flush, and was trying to value bet me along) Did I have the odds of calling for my 4 out full house?

[Chargers In 07]

Calling $30 to win $333 so 11.1:1 odds. But the odds of hitting the 4 outer are 11.25:1 so no you don't have the odds IF he pays you off every time you boat up.

Also consider that sometimes CO is going to raise behind you and you won't even see the river card and that makes this a very bad call.

[uppner]

No wtf don't listen to him

[Chargers In 07]

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No wtf don't listen to him

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[atrainpsu]

Assuming you could get it allin if you hit, you're implied odds are better than Chargers said. There is $170 in the pot when action gets to you. You are getting 170+220:30 = 13:1.
However, he probably bets smallish on river and will fold to a push sometimes. Also if the river is the 2s, can you really justify folding for another $30 bet. With the CO still left to act, and being almost positive he has a flush, you should just fold on the turn.

If you are unsure, it seems reasonable to call here and reevaluate on the river.

P.S. If CO usually C-bets when he raises, I would usually go for a check-raise here and shutdown that flush draw.

[too eazy]

also your flop bet is way too small.

[warrantofice]

I think your problem is definetly on the flop here. I wouldn't worry to much about the turn just yet. If the CO is really crazy I might go for a check raise on the flop but that only if I;m 80% positive that the CO is going to be the flop. If your not that sure than I definitly think you need to raise that flop BIG! In live games making huge raises is just the name of the game. So I would think raising 60-90 dollar on the flop would be definetly a good plan. Your 30 dollars is far to weak in a live game or even on-line. As you played it, call the 30 dollars.

[canvasbck]

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I think your problem is definetly on the flop here. I wouldn't worry to much about the turn just yet. If the CO is really crazy I might go for a check raise on the flop but that only if I;m 80% positive that the CO is going to be the flop. If your not that sure than I definitly think you need to raise that flop BIG! In live games making huge raises is just the name of the game. So I would think raising 60-90 dollar on the flop would be definetly a good plan. Your 30 dollars is far to weak in a live game or even on-line. As you played it, call the 30 dollars.

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QFT

Later streets would have been much easier to play with a PSB on flop.