5/10 Interesting BB situation

[donkey]

5/10 full ring

Button is bad. He limps a lot of pots in position and bets 100% if checked to. CO is good/tricky/TAG. He considers me good. He knows that I know that button is bad. He has seen me checkraise bluff button before.

Effective stack sizes = 1000

I am dealt 5c8c in BB.
CO limps. Button limps. SB folds. I check

FLOP is 8h Jc 2c
I check, CO checks, Button bets 25. I checkraise to 100. CO reraises to 240. Button folds. I......

Since Villain knows I checkraise light in this spot he could have Jx, Axc, 9T, air. I still think the majority of his range is 8J, 22, 88, JJ though.

Calling doesnt seem right since I dont know where i'm at no matter what comes. If a 5 or 8 turns I'm most likely still beat. If a club turns I assume I have the best hand but he could easily have nut flush draw. Seems like a bad reverse implied odds spot since I'm probably not going to stack him if a club comes unless he has nut flush draw in which case he stacks me.

Best (safest) option seems to be to fold but he raised so little I have odds against a lot of his range.

Thoughts?

[JMP300z]

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5/10 full ring

Button is bad. He limps a lot of pots in position and bets 100% if checked to. CO is good/tricky/TAG. He considers me good. He knows that I know that button is bad. He has seen me checkraise bluff button before.

Effective stack sizes = 1000

I am dealt 5c8c in BB.
CO limps. Button limps. SB folds. I check

FLOP is 8h Jc 2c
I check, CO checks, Button bets 25. I checkraise to 100. CO reraises to 240. Button folds. I......

Since Villain knows I checkraise light in this spot he could have Jx, Axc, 9T, air. I still think the majority of his range is 8J, 22, 88, JJ though.

Calling doesnt seem right since I dont know where i'm at no matter what comes. If a 5 or 8 turns I'm most likely still beat. If a club turns I assume I have the best hand but he could easily have nut flush draw. Seems like a bad reverse implied odds spot since I'm probably not going to stack him if a club comes unless he has nut flush draw in which case he stacks me.

Best (safest) option seems to be to fold but he raised so little I have odds against a lot of his range.

Thoughts?

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Lead flop.

That said I think for a second, call and play a turn. Generally checking.

-JP

[creedofhubris]

Folding is ok in this situation. He is bluffing ~0% of the time.

[Leptyne]

I like leading the flop. As played I think you make an excellent point about reverse implied odds. Calling gets 25% of your stack in....for what? Other than a runner runner I see a lot of turn cards that would induce you to see the river wishing and hoping. Fold. You remember the old saying, "if you can call you can raise". Surely you don't see yourself raising here.

[gomberg]

Am I missing something? You have the best hand or the best draw, plus maybe some folding equity if he really thinks you can checkraise light - push. If you really think he can't havef a flush draw, still push. If you think he for sure has a set (or J8), fold.

BTW - as others said, leading pot is a better play usually.

[creedofhubris]

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Am I missing something?

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I think you may have missed where the 2nd raise came from.

[gomberg]

if he doesn't have a set, or top two, shouldn't we be pushing in every time? So what is the % chance he has those hands. He's tricky / TAG - but knows hero will checkraise light here - so why is this a 0% bluffing spot?

[creedofhubris]

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if he doesn't have a set, or top two, shouldn't we be pushing in every time? So what is the % chance he has those hands. He's tricky / TAG - but knows hero will checkraise light here - so why is this a 0% bluffing spot?

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OK, I've had a few beers and barely processed the first couple sentences in the OP.

He's still not bluffing here. He's got something. But he may not be as strong as this move would ordinarily indicate.

So yeah, a push is fine, a fold is too. A call is bad poker, as usual in these situations.

[Lucky]

Fold it up here. You almost have odds to call to hit your flush on next street, but i dont like calling to hit non nut draw. Non nut draws are better used to put pressure on other player.

The other option is to raise your draw, which is usually better when pushing out marginal made hands, not the set or nut flush draw he's likely to have putting in second raise on flop, a c/r no less. fold.

[flawless_victory]

well, the CO has 22... so just play accordingly.