10NL BTN, 99 what yourread on villian. did I make the right play??

jonny87 · #1 08-19-2007, 09:15 AM

whats your thoughts on villians hand? Did I made the right play? I could only think he had a small/medium pair. or maybe TT, but any other pair would raise right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($3.85)
Hero ($5.85)
SB ($9.75)
BB ($11)
UTG ($6)
UTG+1 ($8.45)
MP1 ($4.70)
MP2 ($17.70)
MP3 ($13.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.5, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.40, CO folds.

Flop: ($1.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.7, MP1 calls $0.70.

Turn: ($2.65) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.6, MP1 calls $1.60.

River: ($5.85) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets $1.9 (All-In), Hero calls $1.90.

Final Pot: $9.65

Teddie · #2 08-19-2007, 09:22 AM

Bet closer to the pot on the flop. I always get it all in here.

CaptVimes · #3 08-19-2007, 10:08 AM

The beauty of NL10 is that villain's don't do what you would expect them to do. The only pair I would not put him on is AA, but even that is a play weak players make trying to be tricky and suck you in after your PF raise. I feel weak tight about this, but I think you need to check the turn and try to see a cheaper showdown. 22-QQ could all be played same way from a lot of villains preflop. A Lot of people will not re-raise preflop with QQ. The only hand I am possitive people will reraise PF is AA. Now the likelyhood of them having over pair to your nines is less than them having an underpair/overcards, but you have to include it as part of their range.

As played you have to call, although at the river I think your beat.

Can someone post a link to the Zeebo theorem, does it apply here?

Edit: yeah you could bet more on the flop it might narrow villains range a bit. On these types of flops they usually either have it or they don't and they will fold so generally you don't need to be as much to get the same feedback.

LearningCurve · #4 08-19-2007, 11:13 AM

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Can someone post a link to the Zeebo theorem, does it apply here?

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I couldn't find the orignal thread, but here's the succinct rundown by CaptZeebo himself:

Linky

Yes, the Zeebo Theorem can certainly apply here. No one folds a FH so if you think yours is the best then pooooosh.

Not sure what villain has. Guess it could be A5 even but there are fewer hands that we lose to than we beat. Like the theorem says...I'm not gonna be able to get away from this one.

Dalek · #5 08-19-2007, 11:33 AM

After he called the flop, i'd try to see the showdown for cheap. I put the villain on a pocket pair, probably lower seeing as though he would likely re-raise with KK/AA.

Larude · #6 08-19-2007, 11:39 AM

With the stack villain has you are destined to get it allin there, don't worry about it; as Teddy said bet more on flop and push the turn. If he has AA-TT-66 or quads you were just unlucky; this is why pokertracker or pokeroffice is good to use, we can figure out what villains preflopraisingrange would be... If villain is tight as hell and raises no hand, seen him do no weird things I might slow down but otherwise I would get it allin >>> no brainer...

jonny87 · #7 08-19-2007, 11:56 AM

ok guys cheers. I think his range was 22-JJ, I think players at this level would raise QQ+, and probably JJ too right? so what beats me here is probably TT A5 maybe JJ.
Ok now for what he really had...
T5s!!! i guess i was just unlucky hey lol

Dennisa · #8 08-19-2007, 12:00 PM

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whats your thoughts on villians hand? Did I made the right play? I could only think he had a small/medium pair. or maybe TT, but any other pair would raise right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($3.85)
Hero ($5.85)
SB ($9.75)
BB ($11)
UTG ($6)
UTG+1 ($8.45)
MP1 ($4.70)
MP2 ($17.70)
MP3 ($13.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.5, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.40, CO folds.

Flop: ($1.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.7, MP1 calls $0.70.

Turn: ($2.65) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.6, MP1 calls $1.60.

River: ($5.85) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets $1.9 (All-In), Hero calls $1.90.

Final Pot: $9.65

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I get it in all day, but dont be suprised to see 66 or 5x of clubs. (45/56/k5/a5).

BotOnTilt · #9 08-21-2007, 01:46 PM

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Ok now for what he really had...
T5s!!! i guess i was just unlucky hey lol

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Its how you look at things. I always think I'm lucky if I have villains who call my raises with junk like T5. Like in one table I was all in pf with KK vs AA vs J9o and the guy with aces nagged for like 15 minutes on what a lousy player the J9 dude was, since he sucked out. Personally I'd much prefer to be all in with AA against J9 than to just take the blinds, even though I will occasionally loose.