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Old 11-25-2006, 09:05 PM
melquides melquides is offline
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Default (22) KK hands with bad flops

Two KK hands with scary flops. Hand 1, villian is a total idiot. No reads hand 2.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1150
UTG+1: t1450
MP1: t1860
Hero: t1710
MP3: t1330
CO: t1425
Button: t1425
SB: t1020
BB: t2130

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t75)</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t200</font>, 3 folds, SB calls t175 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t325)</font>, BB calls t150 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t500)</font>, UTG calls t150 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t650)</font>.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t800, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB is all-in t1930</font>. Hero ?


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t765
UTG+1: t1510
Hero: t1615
MP2: t1560
MP3: t2320
CO: t1515
Button: t1520
SB: t1870
BB: t825

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t300</font>, 4 folds, SB calls t250 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t450)</font>, BB calls t200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t700)</font>.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t900, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets t300</font>.Hero ?
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Old 11-25-2006, 09:12 PM
lastchance lastchance is offline
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Default Re: (22) KK hands with bad flops

I need to think long and hard about these.

Wait, I don't.

SHOVE.
SHOVE.
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Old 11-25-2006, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: (22) KK hands with bad flops

[ QUOTE ]
I need to think long and hard about these.

Wait, I don't.

SHOVE.
SHOVE.

[/ QUOTE ]
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Old 11-25-2006, 09:14 PM
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Default Re: (22) KK hands with bad flops

the first hand is an instant call

the second hand is debatable, if you push here you give him only 2:1 on this money which means he can pretty much only call you with a set or a made staright. I like shoving here because if you smooth call, what are you going to do if an 8 or a diamonds hits?
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Old 11-25-2006, 11:19 PM
JROK777 JROK777 is offline
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Default Re: (22) KK hands with bad flops

1. If they actually flopped a flush, would they play it this way? No, so shove. Ur stealin here.

2. Is a draw heavy board. I'd shove because a million turn cards put you in a real fix.
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Old 11-25-2006, 11:24 PM
wuwut666 wuwut666 is offline
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Default Re: (22) KK hands with bad flops

dont second guess yourself when ur QQ+ is an overpair to the board. At these levels you need to shove and if you play your QQ+ that way youll make more money then playing it scared.
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Old 11-25-2006, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: (22) KK hands with bad flops

Umm, all in on both hands?
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Old 11-25-2006, 11:27 PM
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Default Re: (22) KK hands with bad flops

Hi I was just wondering if you noticed that you flopped top set in the first hand?
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Old 11-26-2006, 12:12 AM
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Default Re: (22) KK hands with bad flops

I can't believe I read this entire post and neither hand even had an Ace on the flop.

Ummm...
Shove, Shove!!!
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Old 11-26-2006, 12:29 AM
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Default Re: (22) KK hands with bad flops

I actually laughed out loud at the first hand.

then i stopped reading.
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