3-betting CO opens from the button & Positional Advantage

[Fat Nicky]

I have seen the following statement on this board a few times now:

"The bigger the pot is pre-flop, the player in position has less of an advantage post flop" (not the exact quote, but you get the point)

so, based on this statement, we should be calling loose openers from the button more often than we're 3-betting them because we have position, as 3-betting makes the pot bigger. thus negating our positional advantage (assuming 100bb stacks).

ok, so lately, i'm having decent success w/loose 3-betting from the button when a 20/15ish type is opening from the CO. I've been 3-betting hands like suited Aces, SCs, broadways, small pairs etc....

there are advantages to loose 3-betting here like: winning the pot pre-flop, hitting disguised hands, image, metagame, blah blah blah.. (this is not to say i never cold-call from the button, but for arguments sake, lets say i will call and raise at an even 50/50 frequency with my entire button range)

but where do we draw the line in our 3-betting strategy here if we're giving up an advantage by bloating the pot pre-flop???

[fees]

can you find me a place where this statement is found

[Nielsio]

The idea is to put pressure on opponents because they will have to play a bloated pot oop with marginal hands. This is a huge advantage against weak players.

[Huggy]

we 3-bet to take the betting lead this is more important than position.

[Fat Nicky]

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can you find me a place where this statement is found

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Post by bilbo, maybe 10 posts in...

See ikestoys posts in thread

[Huggy]

^^ this is assuming ur the better post flop player.. obv

[Fat Nicky]

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The idea is to put pressure on opponents because they will have to play a bloated pot oop with marginal hands. This is a huge advantage against weak players.

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obv this is one of the reasons i like 3-betting so much from the button. but as i said, according to some experienced posters, we're giving up some advantage by making the pot bigger, hence, i feel the need for some extra discussion.

[bilbo-san]

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The idea is to put pressure on opponents because they will have to play a bloated pot oop with marginal hands. This is a huge advantage against weak players.

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The problem is that if they call, their hands are not marginal.

It's easier to put pressure on someone on a 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] board when you are deep then when you are shallow (relative to stacks).

Floating/raising flops/etc is all a lot more threatening in a raised pot then in a 3-bet pot.

This is pretty basic, really.

[Fat Nicky]

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^^ this is assuming ur the better post flop player.. obv

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the point of the statement is, that if we're a better postflop player, we shouldn't feel the need to bloat the pot by 3-betting, we can just cold-call and play our position in a smaller pot...because the smaller the pot, the more room we have to maneuver (at least this is my interpretation)

[Huggy]

I think its obv that the advantage your giving up by making pot bigger is less than the one u gain by getting the betting lead [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]