Fold KK on this non-ace high flop?

furyshade · #1 08-02-2006, 01:54 AM

stars 25NL, can i fold KK with these kinds of odds? no reads
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 ($23)
CO ($51.60)
Button ($17.35)
SB ($24.75)
Hero ($60.75)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($25.25)
MP1 ($27.90)
MP2 ($28.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, 3 folds, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, Hero raises to $3, UTG+1 calls $2, CO calls $2, SB calls $2.

Flop: ($12) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8.25, UTG+1 raises to $22.25, CO folds, SB calls $21.75 (All-In), Hero ???

Al_Money · #2 08-02-2006, 01:58 AM

Reraise more preflop, around $5 or $6. A $3 raise is simply juicing up the pot, which invited people to suck out on your KK.

I'm fine getting it all in here with KK with no reads.

furyshade · #3 08-02-2006, 02:00 AM

well, i standard reraise 3x raise, if there is a better way then please tell, but anything more seems like i am never gonna get any action except from a hand beating me, i cant imagine what would call that big a reraise other than the nutz, i did call and will post results later

Al_Money · #4 08-02-2006, 02:02 AM

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well, i standard reraise 3x raise, if there is a better way then please tell, but anything more seems like i am never gonna get any action except from a hand beating me, i cant imagine what would call that big a reraise other than the nutz, i did call and will post results later

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Yes, but there are already 3 people in the pot when it is your turn to raise. You need to force them to make a big mistake in calling preflop. Sure you will get action from worst hands.. AK, AQ, 99+ aren't going anywhere at this level.

smellmuth · #5 08-02-2006, 02:02 AM

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well, i standard reraise 3x raise, if there is a better way then please tell, but anything more seems like i am never gonna get any action except from a hand beating me, i cant imagine what would call that big a reraise other than the nutz, i did call and will post results later

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you are going to be OOP with a well defined hand, you need to make it expensive to play. this has got to be a raise to 4.5 or 5.

SubaruSTiMike · #6 08-02-2006, 02:30 AM

As played, it's a fold. You showed strentgh preflop, and the flop, and you got raised and a check call all in. Maybe if SB didn't call, I would've, but looks like a flop set or flush draw. I don't thikn QQ or JJ plays this way.

tubasteve · #7 08-02-2006, 02:33 AM

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As played, it's a fold. You showed strentgh preflop, and the flop, and you got raised and a check call all in. Maybe if SB didn't call, I would've, but looks like a flop set or flush draw. I don't thikn QQ or JJ plays this way.

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this is a turbocall, qq or jj defintitely play this way

furyshade · #8 08-02-2006, 02:43 AM

you wouldnt believe what UTG+1 had, 74o, sb has TT, there goes most of the days profit

tubasteve · #9 08-02-2006, 02:48 AM

oye i didnt see the sb overcall, this makes it closer but i think you're still ahead here enough to call

delta k · #10 08-02-2006, 03:22 AM

raise more pf and simple fold on flop with a raise and then a check/call all-in. if it's just one villain on the flop, especially with the K of hearts, I don't mind getting it all-in here.