agressive enough or too much.

jmitchell42 · #1 09-12-2007, 05:35 AM

no real read on table, just that it seems pretty passive and a little loose. just sat down a couple hands ago.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG :#A500AF(villian)/ calls, Hero raises, 8 folds, UTG :#A500AF(villian)/ calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
villian checks, Hero bets, villian calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
villian checks, Hero bets, villian calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
villian checks, Hero bets, villian raises, Hero 3-bets, villian calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Sushiglutton · #2 09-12-2007, 05:39 AM

What range do u put villain on when he CR the river?

jmitchell42 · #3 09-12-2007, 05:50 AM

like i said, i didn't have much of a read. but he tended to play too many hands, but not that aggressively.

OziBattler · #4 09-12-2007, 05:58 AM

just call the river CR. You only have TPTK on a high card board and in the nanos people dont CR big streets on a bluff.

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like i said, i didn't have much of a read. but he tended to play too many hands, but not that aggressively

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hmmm, thats the making of a read...a read that tells you you are beat on the river. He probably has 2pr or a set and only called the 3 bet because he figures you for the nut str8 or trip Aces.

fdwarrior · #5 09-12-2007, 06:11 AM

if he is on a pure bluff he is not going to call your 3-bet

jmitchell42 · #6 09-12-2007, 06:13 AM

heh. a read without knowing it. i should pay more attention. thanks. that was my gut instinct, but i tend to be over passive. i appreciate the feedback. btw, without posting results, you read the hand right, and i lost a bet i shouldn't have. maybe i am learning a little...naw, gotta keep posting. thanks again.

neurotiq · #7 09-12-2007, 08:07 AM

I play the hand exactly the same way as you until the river. I don't like the check-raise, as it usually signals that he has top pair beat. I just call.

Sushiglutton · #8 09-12-2007, 08:34 AM

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like i said, i didn't have much of a read. but he tended to play too many hands, but not that aggressively.

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U don't need so much reads for this. Put him on a reasonable range. if u don't want to make a guess, put him on the hands u will have on the river after the CR. Then perhaps make it a little looser. How does ur AK do agaisnt that range?

Sushiglutton · #9 09-12-2007, 08:50 AM

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like i said, i didn't have much of a read. but he tended to play too many hands, but not that aggressively.

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U don't need so much reads for this. Put him on a reasonable range. if u don't want to make a guess, put him on the hands u will have on the river after the CR. Then perhaps make it a little looser. How does ur AK do agaisnt that range?

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I want to strees that this is not a pointless exercise. This is excactly the way u should think about these problems. The only reason to raise AK here is to get value from lesser hands since u will never bluff out a better hand. So is there value?

U should think like this:

1) Put ur opp on a range of hands. This is not an excact science at all, but a reasonable assumption i a lot, lot better than just guessing. With some experience u will improve.

2) Estimate how ur hand do agaisnt that range. U need at least 50% equity to even consider raising. But since u can get capped u need even more. This is also difficult in the heat of the battle. If u feel uncertain go back and analyze after the sesion using Poker Stove. With experience you will develop a 'feel' for it.

Try this on the hand u played. Remember u don't need to do it anywhere near perfect before this type of analysis becomes superior to guessing.

OziBattler · #10 09-12-2007, 09:07 AM

Sushi is right. ranges are important. Its easy to read his post and go 'oh yeah' but you (OP/noobs/lurkers etc) will learn more if you actually do it...bonus points awarded for posting them [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. You wont get it right all the time but the more you practice it gets easier.

youll learn alot if, whenever you post, you try and talk about hand ranges...veterans often wont post ranges because to them it might be seemingly obvious but if you arent sure then just say what you think.