Correct to fold here? NL10 - QQ

n4rf · #1 10-07-2007, 03:48 PM

Villain was 12/12 but only after 35 hands, so it's a very small sample. Still, I thought I was beat here.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($24.45)
MP ($0.50)
CO ($2.30)
Hero ($11.85)
SB ($11.70)
BB ($10.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.2, 2 folds, UTG raises to $3.95, Hero calls $2.40.

Flop: ($7.70) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $8.25, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $7.70

Even preflop I thought I might be beat, but decided to just call to hope to set mine since I figure he will push his stack in regardless of the board.

It's possible that this hand was AK, but I figure villain was overbetting the pot hoping I had the big pair that I had. Most people (at this level) would easily call this and get busted. I just didn't expect to see a hand that I could beat (except maybe AK). I don't think he would have 3bet with JJ. Ideas?

Micro Donk · #2 10-07-2007, 03:49 PM

much too shallow to set mine here.

castigar · #3 10-07-2007, 03:50 PM

You don't have the odds to call for a set.

wattascoop · #4 10-07-2007, 03:52 PM

Should he have folded pf then?

n4rf · #5 10-07-2007, 04:15 PM

As wattascoop pointed out, should I have folded here preflop then?

You're No Daisy · #6 10-07-2007, 04:35 PM

He plays only 12% of his hands and raised UTG then re-raised you. It's obvious what villain has here isn't it? Since the reraise is more than than 10% of your stack, calling is in violation of the 5/10 rule.

Bob Ciaffone's PL & NL Poker: "When contemplating calling a raise because your position is good, you have a clear call if the raise is less than 5% of your stack, and a clear fold if it is more than 10%. In between those numbers, use your judgement."

It's a good rule for calling a preflop raise with a pocket pair in hopes of hitting a set. This concept takes into account the implied odds of a given situation.

AC

TVisdoG · #7 10-07-2007, 04:45 PM

Shove or fold preflop. I think his position, stats and preflop play are a pretty strong indication of AA or KK, so I'm probably folding. As others have pointed out, there's no value in set hunting here, so shove preflop if you think there's a decent chance you're ahead of his range... otherwise, fold.

CruS · #8 10-07-2007, 04:52 PM

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Shove or fold preflop. I think his position, stats and preflop play are a pretty strong indication of AA or KK, so I'm probably folding. As others have pointed out, there's no value in set hunting here, so shove preflop if you think there's a decent chance you're ahead of his range... otherwise, fold.

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Not true. Calling and shoving any J high flop is better than shoving pf if you think his range is QQ+ AK.

CruS · #9 10-07-2007, 04:53 PM

Still, folding is probably best (pre flop)