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Old 11-05-2007, 06:19 PM
mattiesmat mattiesmat is offline
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Default $16 - AK

How is this?
Villain is 8/4 after 23 hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) by Hand Converter CG

SB (t1460)
BB (t535)
UTG (t2195)
MP1 (t2645)
MP2 (t2535)
Hero (t2230)
Button (t1900)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t300, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t750) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t400</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1150
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:23 PM
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Default Re: $16 - AK

i like it, there is no need to reraise a 8/4 UTG.
although i will still push preflop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:26 PM
sippin_criss sippin_criss is offline
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It's fine I don't mind just folding pf.
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: $16 - AK

I also don't think folding is out of the question.
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: $16 - AK

yah UTG raises from 8/4 types are not typically to be messed with. what is his loosest possible range, like AQ-AK and JJ+? Fold pf seems best, although i'm sure in the heat of the moment i'd push it cause i'm a donk.
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: $16 - AK

He could def. have a wider range than that, we only have 23 hands on him after all.
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:53 PM
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Range could be much wider. No way you can fold in position.
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:56 PM
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He could def. have a wider range than that, we only have 23 hands on him after all.

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23 hands can be pretty significant. I forget what the name of the theorem or statistical rule is, but if he's been this tight over 23 the odds that his 'true' vpip is more than 13 or 14 are really pretty slim. the guy you see running 8/4 over 23 hands turns out to be a nit like 95% of the time.
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:57 PM
TruFloridaGator TruFloridaGator is offline
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This is true, but his range could still be wider because of stack size.
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Old 11-05-2007, 07:01 PM
eurythmech eurythmech is offline
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He could def. have a wider range than that, we only have 23 hands on him after all.

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23 hands can be pretty significant. I forget what the name of the theorem or statistical rule is, but if he's been this tight over 23 the odds that his 'true' vpip is more than 13 or 14 are really pretty slim. the guy you see running 8/4 over 23 hands turns out to be a nit like 95% of the time.

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It's true that 23 hands tells us stuff about his nittiness, but he could still be a retard who adds some unexplainable crap to his 13 or 14%.
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