Stars $3.40 STT Results-Oriented question....

2Fast · #1 07-17-2006, 09:31 AM

I think I know the answer and push was correct, but does anyone just let it fold as button was severely shortstacked and is put all-in next hand?

Stars $3.40 STT Blinds t400/800 w 50 antes

Button ~ t850
Hero t2750
SB ~ t3000
BB ~ t5500

I look down and see A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and instapush. BB calls with JJ and it holds. I was just wondering should I have considered how short shorty was and let this one go??

Jay Riall · #2 07-17-2006, 10:25 AM

My first reaction to seeing the chipstacks was its gotta be a fold. But running it through SNGPT its +1.2% if you put the blinds on a calling range of 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+. Do you think they are calling any looser than that?

BHokie1 · #3 07-17-2006, 10:32 AM

When the short stack is this short, and you are not the big stack don't push into the big stacks.

I'm pushing AA/KK here maybe QQ nothing else.

Jay Riall · #4 07-17-2006, 10:34 AM

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When the short stack is this short, and you are not the big stack don't push into the big stacks.

I'm pushing AA/KK here maybe QQ nothing else.

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That's what I thought. Check out what SNGPT says.

Sabrazack · #5 07-17-2006, 10:36 AM

Hmm, i cannot see how this is correct. Initial feeling is that this is ridiculously tight and you need to push alot more hands.

2Fast · #6 07-17-2006, 10:49 AM

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My first reaction to seeing the chipstacks was its gotta be a fold. But running it through SNGPT its +1.2% if you put the blinds on a calling range of 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+. Do you think they are calling any looser than that?

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Thanks for running it through PT...but I think it's looser than that. Would guess 22+, A4s+, A7o+, T9+, JT+, QT+, K9+. I had been raising a lot and calling down short stacks with any 2 when they were really short so I think he thought I had a pretty wide range.

IMO it's almost a strategy issue here though. But if it's +EV with your range I guess it was the right decision.

Jay Riall · #7 07-17-2006, 10:52 AM

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My first reaction to seeing the chipstacks was its gotta be a fold. But running it through SNGPT its +1.2% if you put the blinds on a calling range of 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+. Do you think they are calling any looser than that?

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Thanks for running it through PT...but I think it's looser than that. Would guess 22+, A4s+, A7o+, T9+, JT+, QT+, K9+. I had been raising a lot and calling down short stacks with any 2 when they were really short so I think he thought I had a pretty wide range.

IMO it's almost a strategy issue here though. But if it's +EV with your range I guess it was the right decision.

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If they're as loose as you say in this post you gotta fold, its going to be very, very marginally +EV I think.

SwedishMedusah · #8 07-17-2006, 10:56 AM

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Hmm, i cannot see how this is correct. Initial feeling is that this is ridiculously tight and you need to push alot more hands.

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SNGPT also doesnt take into consideration that the small stack has zero FE and is bound to be in a confrontation reeeaaally soon, which makes his stack overvalued by ICM and thus our stack undervalued (increasing the edge in cEV we need for a push to be correct).

Or, to put it another way, we gain $EV by folding here.

At a "normally tight" table I still think it is a push though.

Snarf · #9 07-17-2006, 11:33 AM

Congrats to the OP for having a good calling range for the $3s. That range is about what I remember it as being.

At the $3s, you have to fold here, because they'll call ya as a 40% dog all day, and you don't want to take a 60/40 at this point with the shortie all in next hand.