Easy shove, right?

Karak567 · #1 03-24-2006, 01:07 AM

Shorty villain is a donk, no read on the other guy, he probably knows shorty villain is a donk too.

I am thinking I should have bet and 3-bet all in.

After rebuy period in Stars 55 k, table has been a bit aggressive and loose.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t10975)
UTG (t18600)
UTG+1 (t10355)
MP1 (t6265)
MP2 (t13609)
MP3 (t14695)
CO (t23700)
Button (t43995)
SB (t8601)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t200, 1 fold, MP1 calls t200, 2 folds, CO calls t200, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (t1000) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets t1000, CO raises to t3000, Hero raises to t10750, UTG folds, MP1 calls t5040 (All-In), CO calls t7750.

Turn: (t28540) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t28540) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t28540

KneeCo · #2 03-24-2006, 01:45 AM

Why is this an easy shove?

stragf · #3 03-24-2006, 02:01 AM

Its a coin flip. Your 14 outs puts you around 50% H/U, but you are up against 2 hands, and the push eliminated one, so 50%. It's a tough one to get away from, but I suspect you're behind to KQ, KJ, or maybe a set. You certainly don't have a made hand, and i think you're behind. YOu have a ton of chips, and at best you're increasing your stack 50%. Something about this doesn't sit well with me.
I would have laid down after the two raises, OR, lead out with a bet of about $1000 instead of checking the flop. As soon as you checked, I think you gaveup your position of strength. I'd take a bet that when you pushed you were behind to a set. Was there a little slow play happening here?

windbreaker · #4 03-24-2006, 02:18 AM

I don't see how you count 14 outs. There's 9 to the flush, 3 more for broadway to make 12. You can't count the ace as an out, as I highly doubt you'll be ahead even if you hit that.

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Its a coin flip. Your 14 outs puts you around 50% H/U, but you are up against 2 hands, and the push eliminated one, so 50%. It's a tough one to get away from, but I suspect you're behind to KQ, KJ, or maybe a set. Was there a little slow play happening here?

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betgo · #5 03-24-2006, 02:19 AM

It's a big gamble, but you are well ahead of your pot odds 3-way. Easy shove.

stragf · #6 03-24-2006, 02:30 AM

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I don't see how you count 14 outs. There's 9 to the flush, 3 more for broadway to make 12. You can't count the ace as an out, as I highly doubt you'll be ahead even if you hit that.

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Its a coin flip. Your 14 outs puts you around 50% H/U, but you are up against 2 hands, and the push eliminated one, so 50%. It's a tough one to get away from, but I suspect you're behind to KQ, KJ, or maybe a set. Was there a little slow play happening here?

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You are right. Ace is dead. I also messed up on the fact that it ended up three way, and NOT h/u. Thanks. I still don't see it as a push. Thoughts?

stragf · #7 03-24-2006, 02:31 AM

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It's a big gamble, but you are well ahead of your pot odds 3-way. Easy shove.

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Betgo-Can you explain this to me please? Thanks.

betgo · #8 03-24-2006, 03:08 AM

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It's a big gamble, but you are well ahead of your pot odds 3-way. Easy shove.

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Betgo-Can you explain this to me please? Thanks.

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You are only putting in 1/3 of the money. With the nut flush draw, you almost certainly have more than 1/3 chance of winning.

Requin · #9 03-24-2006, 03:10 AM

I prefer a call to a shove. Also, your right in that your stack size is perfect to 3-bet allin

Jiggymike · #10 03-24-2006, 03:16 AM

No raise preflop? I doubt you are up against a set with those big cards, although people will limp with them sometimes. More likely I think you are up against a straight from CO and either two pair or something like K10 from donk; some sort of rough combination where you are looking for your flush to win or straight to chop. I am a little sketchy about pushing all in with this AFTER the rearaise. If there is a bet and a call, you can try to semi-bluff squeeze, possibly folding another A in the process and going heads up with your flush and straight draws. That reraise probably says "I have a good but vulnerable hand, let me get one guy out" which in this situation is any two pair, set or straight because of the flush draws and possible straight draws. This takes away part of your semi-bluff since i doubt he will fold to an all in from you. With 12 outs twice and good implied odds, a call isn't out of the question on the reraise, since it will entice other bettor to call as well. If you are sure both players will call, the all-in bet is alright, you are getting great odds with a monster draw. You also could have bet out like some of the above posters said.