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Old 08-06-2007, 02:36 PM
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Default Legends Of Poker Day AA against UTG raiser

Legends of Poker Day 2, 300/600/100.

This was the 4th hands from the start of Day 2. I raised 2 out of the first 3 hands pf taking down blinds/antes.

UTG 16K (a guy in mid 30s, no read, never played before) raises to 2500. Fold to me at MP+1 with two black Aces. I have 15K.

Push, raise, call?
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:44 PM
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Default Re: Legends Of Poker Day AA against UTG raiser

ehhh it depends, do you think people behind are likely to squeeze an UTG raiser and MP1 call? if not I would probably move in.
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:46 PM
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Default Re: Legends Of Poker Day AA against UTG raiser

I think these stacks are actually kind of perfect for a smooth call with the intention of shoving over any c-bet on pretty much every flop. The good thing is, his raise size gives you at least some protection from overcalls behind you. I figure a c-bet will be about 4K, leaving the old dude less than 10K to call into an almost 20K pot. Not to mention we occasionally get some squeezes behind us.

edit: I assumed that 16K was the effective stack size. Is this true?
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:46 PM
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Default Re: Legends Of Poker Day AA against UTG raiser

Considering he has gone 4X and with these stack sizes can get commited pre flop quite easily, plus that in live people may hero fold QQ/AK here, i really like a call.
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:46 PM
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He clearly likes his hand here, I wouldn't give him the chance to get away from QQ on a K high flop or a whiffed AK.
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:48 PM
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He clearly likes his hand here, I wouldn't give him the chance to get away from QQ on a K high flop or a whiffed AK.

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I've actually found that the >4BB open live means the opposite of what you think it means.
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:49 PM
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Default Re: Legends Of Poker Day AA against UTG raiser

Rest of the stacks and table dynamics are pretty important, particularly the blinds. If the blinds are 15-30 BBs and look like they might be aggro then I like a call. If they are deep or very short then probably shove. I think UTG is about as likely to call any kind of a raise as he is a shove, so shoving is good as it can be a bit deceptive as far as your projected hand strength to both UTG and the rest of the table.
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:50 PM
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ehhh it depends, do you think people behind are likely to squeeze an UTG raiser and MP1 call?

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Good point.
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:50 PM
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He clearly likes his hand here, I wouldn't give him the chance to get away from QQ on a K high flop or a whiffed AK.

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We're talking one variable here, what about the times AK/AQ would fold pre and stack off post or spew half their stack since their OOP with the lead?
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:55 PM
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Default Re: Legends Of Poker Day AA against UTG raiser

Call because he bets every flop and your smoothcall for 1/6 of your stack is never suspicious live.
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