Can i ever fold this river ?

[WelshChip]

Right, played this hand wrong, i know that ! I realised this on the river card, but found myself unable to fold this KK down !

I got not real stats/reads on this player, only about 18 hands with out any help !
I feel i should have raised this turn and shouldnt have called, is this just result oriented ? or was the call behind ok on the turn ?



Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with :kd :kh
3 folds, [color=#cc0000]SB raises to $3</font>, [color=#cc0000]Hero raises to $6</font>, SB calls.

Flop: :td :tc :2d ($12, 3 players)
[color=#cc0000]SB bets $6</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: :9s ($24, 3 players)
[color=#cc0000]SB bets $18</font>, Hero calls.

River: :8s ($60, 3 players)
[color=#cc0000]SB is all-in $70.75</font>, Hero calls.

What are his range ? has he got T hear every time to play like this ?

WelshChip

[NewTeaBag]

<u>A few basic comments.</u>
1) Starting stacks.
2) Try to edit your post so the converted HH is readable.
3) Miniraising with monsters preflop is UGLY almost always IMO.

<u>Now to your question</u>
By the time the river rolls around, I would say that if you weren't fooked before the river, you almost certainly are NOW. I think this is a CLEAR fold on the river.

A10, 10x, QJ, 88, 99, 109, 108, hell even 67 are now slaughtering you. The only hands that may play like this that you are beating are JJ or QQ but most players aren't going to push river after you call twice.

The whole problem starts preflop and carries thru.
preflop - use a proper raise (recco = $8-$10)

flop - raise (recco -$20) if he calls you can slow down. If he 3bets your only beating bravely played JJ or QQ and can calmly fold.

turn - raise (assuming you called flop only) Here is another chance to establish where you are. If he 3bAI here you are almost ALWAYS dead and can once again calmly fold (because you are representing a "10" here and unles he's crazy/stupid will have at least a "10".

river - as played easy fold.

[Motorcycle Mike]

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river - as played easy fold.

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