1/2: 3bet pot, OESD oop

[Merlinius]

Everest Poker Limit Hold'em, $1/$2

MP3 ($200.20)
CO ($251.66) 24/19/1/28/(50 hands)
Button ($92.20)
SB ($344.14) (Hero)
BB ($227.80)
MP2 ($158.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $7</font>, Button calls $7, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $33</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, CO calls $26, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>,

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( $75 )

What's my line now?

[nazahl]

crai

[bilbo-san]

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crai

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Lol no. Bet.

He's not going to bet anything that would even dream of folding if you check unless he's retarded enough to bet pure snow.

[nazahl]

so you're betting to try and to fold out AK? you're gonna get jammed on w/ like villains entire range if you bet.

[Dire]

The money's going in a decent amount of the time, and you'll almost always be behind but the pot's offering too big an overlay to do anything else. Bet, fold out small pairs/etc, gamboool against the rest.

[bilbo-san]

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so you're betting to try and to fold out AK? you're gonna get jammed on w/ like villains entire range if you bet.

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lol. If that were true than betting would be SWEET, because we'd be ahead of that range. But it isn't, because villain's going to fold a lot of stuff like tiny pairs, small SCs, suited aces, etc. Very little of which he will bet if we check to him, because we aren't likely to check/fold this flop, like, ever, with a legitimate 3-bet range.

You are betting to fold out 22-77, and yes, possibly AK.

Villain is never jamming 22-77 unless he's completely nutso retarded.

If you check here, villain is likely to bet a range that is never ever folding when you push, and check the rest of his range:

Board: Jc 9d Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.055% 68.09% 01.96% 75503 2174.50 { 88+, KQs, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, KQo, QTo+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o }
Hand 1: 29.945% 27.98% 01.96% 31028 2174.50 { AsQh }


So if you like getting it in as a 2:1 dog, by all means, check/raise.

[nazahl]

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The money's going in a decent amount of the time, and you'll almost always be behind but the pot's offering to big an overlay to do anything else. Bet, fold out small pairs, gamboool against the rest.

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that doesnt sound like a good reason to bet. if the money is goin in either way, why not give him a chance to do something stupid rather than let him play perfectly against us?

[jlocdog]

nazahl- It is a great reason to bet if you believe you will often fold out underpairs and that underpairs make up a significant portion of his range.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see this flop get checked through quite often. A large part of BTN's range catches this flop but doesn't destroy it. Plus to bluff this board from BTN's spot would take atleast 2 barrels to be believable since he has to expect you to call any reasonable flop bet given PF action and the second barrel would be for stacks...

[jlocdog]

Not one to typically bump others thread but this hand seemed interesting and I was surprised it didn't get more attention/responses...

[nazahl]

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Not one to typically bump others thread but this hand seemed interesting and I was surprised it didn't get more attention/responses...

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yea was thinking up a response to ur post and kinda forgot about it. its a pretty [censored] spot ur typically gettin it in pretty bad.

basically weighing the beneifts of folding out AK and small pps w/ the chance villain will do something stupid and bet a hand he should typically check. which is not inconceivable given the board texture for the pf 3bettor to just say "[censored] it and surrender"