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Old 10-30-2007, 09:43 PM
coinflip coinflip is offline
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Default 5NL: pocket pair meets river overbet

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($9.42)
Hero ($6.06)
MP3 ($8.15)
CO ($4.18)
Button ($8.61)
SB ($10.12)
BB ($8.95)
UTG ($6.15)
UTG+1 ($7.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.2</font>, MP3 calls $0.20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $0.18, BB calls $0.15.

Flop: ($0.80) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $0.05</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.5</font>, MP3 folds, SB folds, BB calls $0.45.

Turn: ($1.80) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $0.05</font>, Hero calls $0.05.

River: ($1.90) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $2.55</font>, Hero ...

BB in this hand has been unremarkable so far. I'm surprised at the number of people that called the PFR, but the flop is relatively unthreatening and I'm inclined to treat the underbet as a check. When my turn raise gets called, I decide to "check" the turn for pot control and call a reasonably sized river bet. Villain foils my plan by overbetting the river. What now?
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:16 AM
CaptVimes CaptVimes is offline
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Default Re: 5NL: pocket pair meets river overbet

Fold, you're beat almost always. You took your shot on the flop and I'm not sure I care for that either. The river isn't that much of an over bet. Think of it this way, if villain bets half the pot and you shove he's pretty much already committed himself so why not just chuck it all in now and try to get as much value as possible from you.
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:51 AM
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Default Re: 5NL: pocket pair meets river overbet

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Fold, you're beat almost always. You took your shot on the flop and I'm not sure I care for that either.

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Do you prefer calling the 5c "bet" and folding to a raise? This board seems uncoordinated and fairly friendly to a 2nd underpair - unless someone has a 9 or slowplayed AA-TT before the flop, there's a pretty good chance my hand is best.
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:19 AM
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Default Re: 5NL: pocket pair meets river overbet

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Fold, you're beat almost always. You took your shot on the flop and I'm not sure I care for that either.

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Do you prefer calling the 5c "bet" and folding to a raise? This board seems uncoordinated and fairly friendly to a 2nd underpair - unless someone has a 9 or slowplayed AA-TT before the flop, there's a pretty good chance my hand is best.

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That's just it. The board is dry and villain donk's into you twice. I've seen this so much, villain's put out ridiculous bets and then bet big on the river when the board appears safe or they do this when they are slow playing a monster.

At NL5 villain's can have anything here, but whatever he has on the river 9 times out of 10 beats you. Big river bets are generally not bluffs or something below top pair in this instance.
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