30/60 4 handed JTo

[tempest7178]

30/60 4 handed game with 3 "regulars". I am running the table over. I am up about 25 bets in about 25 hands.

I am UTG with JTo

BTN is a 31/22/1.65 over 270 hands
SB is a 43.5/18.9/1.18 over 300 hands
BB is a 30/23.2/2.46 over 1000 hands
I raise first in, everyone calls.

Notes on SB are: river raise w/ TP, retard chase. call turn raise on AT8x board with J7o. (He is the reason i'm in the game.)

the BB will take shots at me since he knows I am a TAG, we have a little history.

flop: J 3 5 rainbow

SB leads, BB raises, you...?

3bet? fold? Call?

[Entity]

I'd 3bet. But I'd probably fold this preflop (I think it's close but in general I'd think you're getting 3bet a fair amount here).

[canada_dry]

You've put yourself in an awkward position having played such a crappy hand in a crappy position. You could be best; You might not be. You also have an unknown behind you.

Fold is safest play.

[mcvalenc]

Against this lineup I would normally fold preflop but it's close and I think your table image swings this to a raise. I would 3bet the flop.

[milesdyson]

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You've put yourself in an awkward position having played such a crappy hand in a crappy position.

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well he has JTo in the cutoff. given he is owning the table i would still raise this hand preflop.

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You could be best; You might not be. You also have an unknown behind you.

Fold is safest play.

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i dont think so. BB's range is very wide and filled with many worse hands. SB's range is even wider.

[canada_dry]

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well he has JTo in the cutoff.

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Nope. HE's UTG.

[john kane]

3bet definitely.

call is not an option.

[milesdyson]

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well he has JTo in the cutoff.

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Nope. HE's UTG.

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sigh, is it that hard to read the post, or is button "UTG" in a 3-handed game too?

[Entity]

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well he has JTo in the cutoff.

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Nope. HE's UTG.

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sigh, is it that hard to read the post, or is button "UTG" in a 3-handed game too?

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You're being all condescending, but regardless of semantics, raising JTo from the CO in this spot is a very questionable situation. You've got a 3bet happy Button, a LAGGY SB, a LAGGY BB. Little chance of stealing the blinds outright. A hand with no showdown value and questionable overall "value," and a table who will, if not now, be shortly looking to start fighting back. It's rare that a table with players like this just rolls over and dies just because you raised preflop 4-handed, and it's equally rare that this hand is going to be netting you much, if any, profit here.

Rob

[tempest7178]

Yikes.

I folded to the flop raise, action on the turn was check-call a blank and check-check a blank river. SB had 66, BB had 46o.

I agonized over raising and folding on the flop thinking that the BB was trying to push me out to iso the SB but while also knowing that I knew this.

Maybe fold pre-flop is the answer.