6/12 live-betting into a PF raiser with less than top pair?

mrcunningham · #1 07-09-2007, 07:56 PM

9 handed, Saturday night, average of 4 to a flop, button is 35ish ethnic Chinese that speaks Chinese, if that makes any difference to any of you, who has been fairly quiet in his 30 minutes at the table so far.

I limp Ad5d UTG+2, button raises, Bb and I call,
F: T52d
BB check, I bet, button call, BB folds
T: 7
I bet, button calls
R: 6 (no possible flushes)
I bet…

Thoughts?

BigBadBabar · #2 07-09-2007, 08:08 PM

fold pf pls

KitCloudkicker · #3 07-09-2007, 08:12 PM

i dont mind the flop bet against passive players. Check the river.

also fold PF. it sounds like table conditions are poor for this hand from early position.

Maliant · #4 07-09-2007, 10:29 PM

What are you getting value off on river? A5 is a trash hand btw.

mrcunningham · #5 07-10-2007, 02:30 AM

Thanks for the comments. I guess time to tighten up PF.

Aces McGee · #6 07-10-2007, 09:05 AM

Especially if there's a flush draw out there, I'd check and call this river. The flop and turn bet are fine.

I also don't mind the limp nearly as much as others do, particularly if the table has been passive (not much preflop raising).

-McGee

TheCount212 · #7 07-10-2007, 11:46 AM

I always hate disagreeing with Babar, as he's the Archbishop of Valuetown =], but at an LP table I love the idea of limping with a suited A. If the table were tougher I'd have to consider folding this PF. What do the numbers have to say about this situation, I wonder?

KitCloudkicker · #8 07-10-2007, 11:57 AM

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I always hate disagreeing with Babar, as he's the Archbishop of Valuetown =], but at an LP table I love the idea of limping with a suited A. If the table were tougher I'd have to consider folding this PF. What do the numbers have to say about this situation, I wonder?

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9 handed average of 4 to a flop,

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this is not a loose passive table.

TheCount212 · #9 07-10-2007, 12:07 PM

True enough. But it's gonna take a lot more than one raise PF to get me to fold a suited A.

mrcunningham · #10 07-10-2007, 12:12 PM

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I always hate disagreeing with Babar, as he's the Archbishop of Valuetown =], but at an LP table I love the idea of limping with a suited A. If the table were tougher I'd have to consider folding this PF. What do the numbers have to say about this situation, I wonder?

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9 handed average of 4 to a flop,

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this is not a loose passive table.

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Regarding the limp, this is really the key point. Typically, I go ahead and play these types of hands because live on a weekend night we usually see 5-6 to a flop. That nite the table had more tight passive type players. Maybe 1 PF raise per orbit. With only 4 to a flop, it seems the decision to limp will require a bit more consideration.