100NL: Why do i want to fold KK pf?

[futuredoc85]

villain is 13/7 over 350 hands [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] his tiny 4-bet makes me want to projectile vomit

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MP2 ($104.50)
MP3 ($30.30)
Hero ($100)
Button ($98.50)
SB ($74.50)
BB ($70)
UTG ($158.60)
UTG+1 ($124.10)
MP1 ($67.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls $3, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $35</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG folds, MP3 folds, Hero pukes and????

[bottomset]

I hate getting 4bet at FR with a passion

[jetsetboy]

Has he seen you 3betting light an UTG raiser or this UTG raiser ?

[futuredoc85]

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Has he seen you 3betting light and UTG raiser or this UTG raiser ?

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unfortunately no, this is my 2nd 3-bet at the table and the first was from the BT vs a CO open and he folded to my c-bet

[D.L.M.]

u can smooth call and check call or start 1/4 pot betting every street, this gives a retarded qq,ak or other retard hands that show up a chance to make mistakes.
are you goin to fold, hellllll no, no one folds kk preflop, and if they do, the also do other dumb things for me to rape.

remember he still could have kk, and some villians for whatever reason make this bet with a worse hand than yours and then fold to a pushLOL.

[futuredoc85]

they usually do that when i 3-bet their raise, not cold 4-bet when i 3-bet an UTG raise

[futuredoc85]

also i dont think ive ever even contemplated folding ti PF before so its not like im suddenly exploitable by good regs if i do it once to a cold min 4-bet

[blunty31]

Fold, you only lost $15 youre not pot commited, spend the money you would have put in this pot on a surer hand. Statistically 1 out of 10 times you hold KK some1 else at the table will hold AA, so why is it so hard to fold KK preflop against such a suspicias play?

[Cry Me A River]

You wanna know a secret?

I have folded KK preflop. Okay, it was only once. And then there was a situation THE VERY NEXT DAY (against Berge of all ppl) where I wanted to do it again. And I would have been right. Again.

Am I gonna fold KK preflop against daladiesman or someone like him? Hell no!

However, there have been a bunch of times where I really, really wanted to fold KK preflop. And I've been right about 80% of the time.

And having broken my cherry by actually doing the deed once, next time I get that taste of bile in my mouth I will do it again.

So go ahead and fold KK. It's not the end of the world, the heavens are not going to open up. Nobody's going to kill your family.

Just don't make a habit of it!

[CalledDownLight]

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Fold, you only lost $15 youre not pot commited, spend the money you would have put in this pot on a surer hand. Statistically 1 out of 10 times you hold KK some1 else at the table will hold AA, so why is it so hard to fold KK preflop against such a suspicias play?

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Your numbers are really far off. Given that you have KK there is a 4 out of 50 chance that any player will get dealt an ace, then there is a 3 of 49 chance that the same player will get another ace. The result of this is 12 out of 2450 times or 1 of 204.16. That is for an individual player. Divide this by 8 and you get 1 time in 25.52 times that you get dealt KK that another player will hold AA. This result is slightly off because it takes into account only one player being dealt an ace for their first card. However, if two or three are dealt there is minscule impact in comparison to this. The result is KK vs. AA happens about one of every 25 times you hold KK. This is a far cry from the one in ten you posted. Please refrain from posting statistics that you have heard from uneducated sources.

As for folding, I do not know that I like a fold here. People will be 4betting with QQ and the unlikely KK here also IMO and the better players might also 4bet AKs here. Its a tough read to make to put him on exactly AA. I think you could flat call and reevaluate postflop. If you spike a king then it become easy to felt from there, otherwise you might get to pick something up that leads you one way or another. A simple 4bet is not enough to scream AA. If he's a thniking villian then he could have anything remotely strong or even suited connectors here.