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Old 11-13-2007, 10:48 PM
felipe71arg felipe71arg is offline
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Default NL50 AA facing cr 3bet pot 200 bb deep

UTG opener is new to the table, main villain is BB, who is tangling a lot with SB, and the only read i have is, he is playing decent hands vs SB. Hero is TAG.

iPoker Skin 0.25/0.50, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | <font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button <font color="#C00000">Hero ($99.50)</font>
SB ($48.40) <font color="#0000C0">49/18/3 small sample</font>
<font color="#C00000">BB ($71.75)</font> <font color="#0000C0">27/15/2 small sample</font>
UTG ($51.30) 17/13/3
UTG+1 ($67.25)

Preflop: Hero is on the Button with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to 1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to 6.50, SB calls 6.25, BB calls 6.00, UTG folds.

Flop (21.25) 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 17.50, 1 fold, BB raises to 35.00, Hero standard here is shove...

Any thoughts?? Thank You.
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:17 PM
Jailblazers Jailblazers is offline
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Default Re: NL50 AA facing cr 3bet pot 200 bb deep

Yes I believe so because you only have one less pot sized bet left and I'm pretty sure BB's range include KK (edit: didn't mean to include this),AK,Kxcc. But then again, you don't see many people minraising without strong hands because they are basically saying, "lets try to get more money on the pot and I don't care if I get 3betted."
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:20 PM
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Default Re: NL50 AA facing cr 3bet pot 200 bb deep

Easy push IMO. Flush draws and broadway draws (and TP) make up a huge part of his range versus sets, and he will call since he just put over 50% of his stack in the middle.
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:27 PM
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Default Re: NL50 AA facing cr 3bet pot 200 bb deep

my thoughts exactly. im only worried about AcKc but im pushing anyway.
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:54 PM
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Default Re: NL50 AA facing cr 3bet pot 200 bb deep

I shove here I think its pretty STD
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:38 AM
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Default Re: NL50 AA facing cr 3bet pot 200 bb deep

30,690 games 0.005 secs 6,138,000 games/sec

Board: Kd 6c 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.054% 48.51% 01.54% 14889 472.50 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 49.946% 48.41% 01.54% 14856 472.50 { KK+, 99, 66, AKs, KcQc, QcJc, 96s, 8c7c, AKo, KQo }

is this a fair range? Im not sure he does this with KQo? He doesnt seem like a total idiot. Maybe JT of clubs too?
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Old 11-14-2007, 03:53 AM
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Default Re: NL50 AA facing cr 3bet pot 200 bb deep

Raise more preflop, as it is you're giving them odds to stack you with low pp's and such. I try to raise to more than 10% of effective stacks in spots like this, when it's reasonable. Here, a raise to 9 gets you there, and doesn't seem out of line.

Note, that the low PP's weren't paying you off much anyway when they miss, so scaring them out isn't awful. And the hands that pay you off big (AK, JJ+) probably aren't quitting for a slightly bigger 3-bet, cause they'd be making it themselves if the situation was reversed.
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:12 AM
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Default Re: NL50 AA facing cr 3bet pot 200 bb deep

I think that range is to wide. 96s??? QJs? I think we can take away QJs due to villains line, and 96s wont be a calling hand preflop if he is good.

Hand 0: 39.608% 39.61% 00.00% 6666 0.00 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 60.392% 60.39% 00.00% 10164 0.00 { KK, 99, 66, AKs, KcQc,

The pot is already big, a full buyin at this level, so its an easy push for me since there is a FD out there and we dont have the ace of clubs.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:52 PM
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Default Re: NL50 AA facing cr 3bet pot 200 bb deep

My 3bet preflop was against UTG, and i think is standard. I initially thought BB called because SB was in the hand.

For stoving, his range pf maybe this wide, but his range for cr is not, and i think all his holdings have us crushed.

I timed 2 o 3 secs before i push, because i noted his [censored] cr is $35, leaving $30 behind.

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Old 11-14-2007, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: NL50 AA facing cr 3bet pot 200 bb deep

[ QUOTE ]
I think that range is to wide. 96s??? QJs? I think we can take away QJs due to villains line, and 96s wont be a calling hand preflop if he is good.


[/ QUOTE ] yea I felt like it was a little wide.
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