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Old 09-18-2007, 02:16 AM
Marwan Marwan is offline
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Default Top 2 Pair 370BB\'s deep

Okay so this is HU actually, but I'd like to get input from some posters on here.

Reads: Villain and I have played for a hundred hands, I rivered a straight vs. TPTK to put him on a bit of tilt and get my stack up.. He had a big stack before I sat down..Villain is very aggro, he check-raises me a fair amount and donk-bets into me infrequently.. My read on the donk bet was that he does it with either a draw or some type of 2nd pair hand.. at least that's what he's done it with so far. I got stacked as well before when I turned 2-pair and he hit a flush.. he bet into the flop with his FD.

He also played some weirddd hands which makes me think he makes moves a lot:

Exhibit A:
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 2 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

BB: $832.80
Hero (SB): $243.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $3.00</font>, BB calls $2.00

Flop: ($6) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4.00</font>, BB calls $4.00

Turn: ($14) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $40.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $100.00</font>, BB calls $60.00

River: ($214) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $136.10</font>, BB folds
Uncalled bet of $136.10 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $214.00 ($0.50 Rake)

Exhibit B:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 2 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (BB): $336.60
SB: $738.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB raises to $4.00</font>, Hero calls $3.00

Flop: ($8) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">SB bets $6.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20.00</font>, SB calls $14.00

Turn: ($48) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $40.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $80.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $312.60</font>, SB folds
Uncalled bet of $232.60 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $208.00 ($0.50 Rake)


The Hand:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 2 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

BB: $702.80
Hero (SB): $369.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $3.00</font>, BB calls $2.00

Flop: ($6) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $6.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $70.00</font>, Hero calls $46.00

Turn: ($146) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks


umm, ya, I think I should bet this turn but I wasn't sure.. his equity just plummeted if he has a flush draw/combo draw.. I'm still sorta not liking it if I bet 100 and he pushes..at the same time I'm giving up a lot of free cards. check okay,call safe river or bet turn? How about the flop, standard?
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Old 09-18-2007, 02:28 AM
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Default Re: Top 2 Pair 370BB\'s deep

I bet to protect my hand. I just have to think I'm best here.

If he shoves, well, such is life. Look into his soul.
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Old 09-18-2007, 02:36 AM
Marwan Marwan is offline
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Default Re: Top 2 Pair 370BB\'s deep

ya looking back I'd prefer if I bet for value/protection.. I didn't see many hands in an aggro player's range that would 4-bet the flop then check a safe turn.. even if he did have a flush i'd imagine he'd lead.. playing deep makes me do things I normally wouldn't do though.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:24 AM
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Default Re: Top 2 Pair 370BB\'s deep

anyone like to b/f turn? i think we're deep enough.
if hes capable of shoving AcJx/AcTx on the turn after that flop action then he can take my money
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:26 AM
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Default Re: Top 2 Pair 370BB\'s deep

i'm curious to hear what people think of a flop fold after getting 3balled
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:30 AM
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Default Re: Top 2 Pair 370BB\'s deep

afer seeing the previous hand where villain called a flop ch/r and then raise/FOLDED the turn, im never folding to his smallish flop 3 bet in the second hand...
now if he ch/r the turn its an easy fold
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:34 AM
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Default Re: Top 2 Pair 370BB\'s deep

weird, because i would never fold the turn after betting after he checked
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:30 AM
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Default Re: Top 2 Pair 370BB\'s deep

I agree. VERY few villains will check this turn with something that beats us.
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:50 AM
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Default Re: Top 2 Pair 370BB\'s deep

i think the turn is a must bet...i donk think villain checks anything that beats us...given the action on previous hands i.e. c/r..call rr then fold riv shove..I don't think i'm folding here ever unless maybe a 4th club comes
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Old 09-18-2007, 06:23 PM
Marwan Marwan is offline
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Default Re: Top 2 Pair 370BB\'s deep

given my read I should have bet the turn.. He also cold calls PF OOP everything except pairs based on a hand where he only called with AK OOP, so I'm assuming he prolly had something like A10,AJ,AQ,AK with the ace of clubs..

anyways so check/check turn.. turn is ugly Kc, he bets 90, I fold.. all in all I misplayed the hand most likely, but I take something away from it and will just go with my reads deep stacked and just go for +EV plays, not playing like a pussy.
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