I WANT TO CALL SOOOOOOOOOOO BAD

Fonkey123 · #1 05-05-2007, 02:01 AM

God I'm a total station. First hand at the table villain posts OOP, and calls my 5x UTG open; ergo, I give him 0 credit, and classify him as uberdonk until proven otherwise. Am I crazy for wanting to call here? I checked river, because no worse hands call (I think), but worse hands might bet.

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saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($462.65)
Hero ($200)
MP ($249.10)
CO ($200)
Button ($89.35)
SB ($96.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls $8, 3 folds.

Flop: ($23) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $18, CO calls $18.

Turn: ($59) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $28, Hero calls $28.

River: ($115) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $144 (All-In),

Fonkey123 · #2 05-05-2007, 03:13 AM

Bump, cuz I'm gonna go crash for the night. I guess this hand isn't too interesting though.

terp · #3 05-05-2007, 03:15 AM

b/f turn

i'm kind of torn on river. this is right between "[censored] i bet too small on the turn and now i have to shove" and "no way is he strong enough to call this"

uberdonk doesn't tell me enough to judge his frequencies here. timing tells would help, though.

also, lol @ no worse hand will call river

JackAll · #4 05-05-2007, 03:44 AM

I would bet turn to get value from draws and KQ and fold to a raise.

As played, I would fold river.

Fonkey123 · #5 05-05-2007, 04:01 AM

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b/f turn

i'm kind of torn on river. this is right between "[censored] i bet too small on the turn and now i have to shove" and "no way is he strong enough to call this"

uberdonk doesn't tell me enough to judge his frequencies here. timing tells would help, though.

also, lol @ no worse hand will call river

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Yeah, I'm kind of angry at myself for not bet/folding the turn if it wasn't with the intention of snap calling a river. hmmmm [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Timing wasn't instant instant, but it wasn't long at all. Probably took 3-5 seconds before he pushed.

If I c/c the turn I don't really like donking the river. I guess my assumption about "worse hands calling," is for the most part wrong as I usually v-bet super light. I guess he can call the flop, bet turn, and call river with a T, or QJ.

That's all folks I'm about to fade into oblivion.

Logun · #6 05-05-2007, 04:35 AM

I agree with b/f the turn. until I started watching some of the videos people were posting I too would post in behind the button.

This was a tendancy left over from playing full RG. So I would not be so quick to list him as donk for only that reason.

There is a strong case that he might have picked up a hand here as well, AJ/AQ/KQ type hands might call you 66 - TT/JJ might smooth call as well in position.

I think a call on the river would be pretty thin, but it is certainly tempting given that only the gut shot draws got there.

As played though I do feel that folding is your best route. If he is an uberdonk you will get it back.

kayfish77 · #7 05-05-2007, 06:54 AM

fold. the only 2 hands we realisticlaly beat are missed clubs and king queen. granted, your line looks so so weak but you cannot make this call regardless.

MysteryV · #8 05-05-2007, 07:01 AM

There are better spots to get your money in against an unknown than top pair on a relatively wet board.

That said, your equity against a random hand is pretty good.

I fold and hope someone else doesn't break him before I see round two.

MysteryV · #9 05-05-2007, 07:05 AM

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I agree with b/f the turn. until I started watching some of the videos people were posting I too would post in behind the button.

This was a tendancy left over from playing full RG. So I would not be so quick to list him as donk for only that reason.

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Lol @ 'I would not call him a donkey because by the transitive property of equality, that would make me a donkey, and I don't want to be a donkey' logic.

Logun · #10 05-05-2007, 01:59 PM

lol, what can I say, I'm still learning [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]