1-table s'n'g, low stacks. Call all in-in early level?

vanitas · #1 07-20-2006, 08:40 AM

Here's a situation I came across. It's a 9-handed s'n'g, early level. Would you call an all-in? Had no read on opponent...

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t1650
UTG+1: t920
MP1: t1130
MP2: t2015
MP3: t1540
Hero: t850
Button: t1440
SB: t975
BB: t2980

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls t50 (pot was t75), 2 folds, MP2 calls t50 (pot was t125), MP3 folds, Hero calls t50 (pot was t175), 2 folds, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t225, 4 players)
BB is all-in t2930, 2 folds, Hero ??? 

Here's a similar situation, with different stack size. Same play?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t10/t20
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t2170
UTG+1: t1740
MP1: t1440
MP2: t1610
MP3: t1450
Hero: t1400
Button: t1560
SB: t1380
BB: t750

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t20 (pot was t30), 2 folds, MP2 calls t20 (pot was t50), MP3 calls t20 (pot was t70), Hero raises to t60, 3 folds, UTG calls t40 (pot was t150), MP2 calls t40 (pot was t190), MP3 calls t40 (pot was t230).

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t270, 4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets t60, UTG calls t60 (pot was t330), MP2 calls t60 (pot was t390), MP3 folds.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t450, 3 players)
UTG is all-in t2050, MP2 folds, Hero ???

kolotoure · #2 07-20-2006, 08:42 AM

Please never ever ever ever limp this hand preflop

WordWhiz · #3 07-20-2006, 08:53 AM

Hand 1: Raise preflop, fold flop unless you think villain is a total bluffer. He's clearly an idiot, but that's not the same thing.

Hand 2: Fold pf, don't c-bet flop, fold to turn push for same reason as hand 1.

With players who constantly overbet the pot, you can wait for much better hands to stack them.

Stevens65 · #4 07-20-2006, 08:53 AM

2nd: I fold preflop, I never bet the flop and fold instantly the turn, glad not to have lost my stack on such a bad hand

vanitas · #5 07-20-2006, 08:55 AM

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Please never ever ever ever limp this hand preflop

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I know the limp was horrible...

zabt · #6 07-20-2006, 09:01 AM

I would not call either all-in. But, I would not have been in either position. I would raise pre-flop with the first hand (possibly all-in given your stack size and the chips already sitting in the pot). I would not raise pre-flop with the second hand (I would fold), nor would I bet the flop if I was in the hand. Also a bet of 60 into a pot of 270 isn't going to do anything about telling you where you are in the hand -- others will be getting better than 5:1 to call, so they could be sticking around with just about anything. (Similarly, your raise to 60 pre-flop did nothing to thin the field, even if everyone left to act had folded, the early callers would have been getting better than 4:1 to call.)

JROK777 · #7 07-20-2006, 08:54 PM

With QQ you have to raise it to @180-200 preflop. I would then check/fold on the flop. I would cbet against 1 opponent though. In the KJ hand you have no business playing preflop. If you did make the mistake of calling pf you need to check/fold on that flop. You can't draw at overcards in sng's like you can in limit hold em.