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09-17-2007, 11:24 PM
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ruling ? - board mucked on turn with a player all in
lady who bought in for 40, calling station, etc. buys in for 20 more. leaks most of it away. gets all in for maybe $6 by the flop. she's in the four seat. at least two players remain. one to her left, one in about the two seat.
turn card. player to her left checks, seat two bets, player to her left folds. dealer pushes pot and mucks board before someone can say time. surveilance is called, the pot is collected for it to be rewarded later (to seat two who had top pair). but what if surveilance was not available? the floor asked the players "and we have no idea what the board was?" three of us said "there was a queen, a nine and two diamonds." no disagreement. 
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#2
09-17-2007, 11:38 PM
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Re: ruling ? - board mucked on turn with a player all in
I'd say split the pot between lady and seat two and casino gives both of them comps of some sort.
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#3
09-17-2007, 11:53 PM
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Re: ruling ? - board mucked on turn with a player all in
The old school ruling would be to count the pot, push it to one of the players and then let the dealer pay the other player. I don't know of any casinos that do this anymore, but the dealer woudl never again muck the board like that. This comes from a lack of training because the board should never be mucked before the pot is pushed.
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#4
09-18-2007, 01:00 AM
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Re: ruling ? - board mucked on turn with a player all in
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The old school ruling would be to count the pot, push it to one of the players and then let the dealer pay the other player. [/ QUOTE ] World's most boring job: enrolment administrator at dealer school.
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#5
09-18-2007, 01:28 AM
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Re: ruling ? - board mucked on turn with a player all in
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The old school ruling would be to count the pot, push it to one of the players and then let the dealer pay the other player [/ QUOTE ] Not so old school Randy. I did this last night with a dealer that pushed a pot the wrong way. I wont get into the details but the dealer had to pay a $68 pot.
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#6
09-18-2007, 02:38 PM
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Re: ruling ? - board mucked on turn with a player all in
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] The old school ruling would be to count the pot, push it to one of the players and then let the dealer pay the other player [/ QUOTE ] Not so old school Randy. I did this last night with a dealer that pushed a pot the wrong way. I wont get into the details but the dealer had to pay a $68 pot. [/ QUOTE ] Why ever would any dealer agree to deal anything bigger than NL1/2? You can't pay someone $6/hr and then demand they make up the error when something goes wrong in a 3000/6000 game or a NL25/50. The solution doesn't scale. At the same time, I appreciate a dealer who will voluntarily reach into a pocket and offer to make up for any such errors. Classy, but not required, and I've only seen it a couple times in Vegas over $10ish sorta errors.
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#7
09-18-2007, 02:50 PM
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Re: ruling ? - board mucked on turn with a player all in
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] The old school ruling would be to count the pot, push it to one of the players and then let the dealer pay the other player [/ QUOTE ] Not so old school Randy. I did this last night with a dealer that pushed a pot the wrong way. I wont get into the details but the dealer had to pay a $68 pot. [/ QUOTE ] And if an inattentive dealer burns/turns too soon, costing a player the pot? Dealer has to make it up? And if a Floor makes retarded decision, he has to make it up? Locally, the House drops $160+ an hour. Pay the dealers $6ish and insist on 40+ hands an hour. I demand accountability as much as the next guy, but unless it is way over the top (hard to say, no details), I can't see the dealer paying, and we all know the House doesn't go to the cage and make good. If he shoved the pot the wrong way, why didn't you just get it from the "wrong winner"?
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#8
09-18-2007, 04:59 PM
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Re: ruling ? - board mucked on turn with a player all in
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And if an inattentive dealer burns/turns too soon, costing a player the pot? Dealer has to make it up? [/ QUOTE ] No, this is a correctable error. In the past these things would be the dealer making up an ante when the pot was short an ante or if they pushed the pot the wrong way and the incorrect winner had accepted the pot and refused to return it.
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#9
09-18-2007, 05:10 PM
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Re: ruling ? - board mucked on turn with a player all in
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[ QUOTE ] And if an inattentive dealer burns/turns too soon, costing a player the pot? Dealer has to make it up? [/ QUOTE ] No, this is a correctable error. [/ QUOTE ] How do you correct it? River was the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] , giving George the nut flush, but Miss Socialbuterfly was too fast with the burn & turn. Replacement was the 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] , giving George nada. That is "correcting the error"?
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#10
09-18-2007, 05:16 PM
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Re: ruling ? - board mucked on turn with a player all in
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And if an inattentive dealer burns/turns too soon, costing a player the pot? Dealer has to make it up? [/ QUOTE ] No, this is a correctable error. [/ QUOTE ] How do you correct it? River was the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] , giving George the nut flush, but Miss Socialbuterfly was too fast with the burn & turn. Replacement was the 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] , giving George nada. That is "correcting the error"? [/ QUOTE ] Yes because all they were entitled to was a random card and that is what they received. A burn and turn actually helps the player that is looking for the card that comes up and is replaced as it now has a higher chance of appearing. There is no way to correct someone shorting the pot other than someone putting in the money. This sort of ruling used ot be very standard.
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