OOP vs TAG in capped pot

yourface · #1 08-23-2007, 10:27 AM

villain is a TAG. haven't played with him much but I think I heard from someone that he is one of the best regs at this limit

5 handed 10/20

preflop: hero raises black JJ UTG, CO folds, villain 3bets OTB, SB folds, BB folds, hero caps, villain calls

flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
hero bets, villain calls

turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (or some other brick)
hero bets, villain raises, hero folds

anyone play it different anywhere?

johnnylovescandy · #2 08-23-2007, 10:31 AM

c/f turn

Oink · #3 08-23-2007, 10:40 AM

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c/f turn

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LOL. Please post more of the genius replies. Please!

@ Yourface.

Would you play and A like that? I know I wouldnt so I am not quite ready to give him credit for an A. I bet/call down from the turn.

EDIT: This hand confuses me. What the hell is he playing like that. Maybe AK or AQ without a d. Maybe 77-TT trying to fold a better pp, but thats a narrow range he is trying to fold.

I am confused because the only hand I would play like this is a lowish pp without a diamond. Something like 66-TT.

If I had a big A I would jam the flop. If I had an A with a weakish kicker like J or T I would play passive. If I had a pp with a diamond I would play it passive. So against me that would be a bad fold. Bla bla I dunno! Stop running bad [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

yourface · #4 08-23-2007, 10:52 AM

villain could have been waiting for a safe turn to raise his ace and charge a potential flush draw

hands like 66 77 99 TT with a diamond or KQ with a diamond could be possible as well though. not many players would make that semibluff, but supposedly he is good

1morphius1 or somesuch for anyone who plays in my games. what do you think of him wunderkind? I think he was one of the guys louis mentioned to me as being a v good 1020 reg, along with butcher and someone else

Oink · #5 08-23-2007, 10:57 AM

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villain could have been waiting for a safe turn to raise his ace and charge a potential flush draw

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Should he expect you to bet the turn with KdK or QdQ?

If I were villain I would think that you check the turn with those hands and I would just jam the flop accordingly to maximize my EV - but only with AK and possibly AQ.

yourface · #6 08-23-2007, 11:00 AM

when I cap preflop here my range is like
sometimes 99, TT-AA, sometimes AQ, AK

so on that flop, discounting 99 and AQ by 1/2
no ace: 99*3, TT-KK*24 = 27
ace: AA*3, AQ*6, AK*12 = 21

but when I don't have an ace I will have a diamond half the time and will obv call the raise.

I think that range shows me that I need to cap AQ more preflop to balance out my range. thoughts on that?

edit: on non-ace flops the distribution is different, and would look like

pairs: 99*3, TT-AA*30 = 33
unpaired: AK*16, AQ*8 = 24

Oink · #7 08-23-2007, 11:03 AM

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I think that range shows me that I need to cap AQ more preflop to balance out my range. thoughts on that?

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I wouldnt do that untill he starts 3-balling me light.

As an alternative I prefer just calling his 3-bet with AA, KK and AK and then c/r'ing most flops. Gets in the same amount of chips but represents less strength and will give you more action vs a good hand reader.

secretprankster · #8 08-23-2007, 11:29 AM

Can't see why you're so confused about what he has. It's an ace really really often. AK or AQ - esp. with a diamond - is basically the nuts on this flop so I can easily see why he would not raise as a lot of players will fold black underpairs right there. It's a bit of a tough spot because he could still be making a move with a lower pocket pair.

secretprankster · #9 08-23-2007, 11:35 AM

Do you think he will fold 77/99 with no diamond on the flop?

secretprankster · #10 08-23-2007, 11:40 AM

Until you've played more with him and have some history (as this would indicate some degree of levelling going on), call and checkfold looks like an okay option. By the river he is only really trying to fold out TT-KK with a diamond, as if you are unknown to him he can't think you're betcalling black JJ here to fold the river.

The upside for him with his turn raise is that, from his perspective, you can hardly ever 3-bet him.

He could also have flopped the nut flush - was overlooking that possibility.

Don't think I bet the turn here either. What does a bet achieve?