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Stud Hi Hand, Two issues relating to split pairs and betting strategy
When you have a split pair on 3rd that you think is likely best, a player completes in front of you, and a villain behind you is showing the same upcard as your pair, is the best play there to raise the player who completed or just call?
Another issue: in this hand, I was planning to check raise on fifth, thinking the player who completed would bet. However, he didn't, and caught the second 3 on 6th, likely giving him two pair. Did I wait too long to check raise, when I could have still done it for a double bet on 5th? 7 Card Stud High ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05 (converter) 3rd Street - (1.00 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___completes Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Seat 6: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls 4th Street - (5.00 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls Seat 6: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls 5th Street - (4.50 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks Seat 6: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks 6th Street - (4.50 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Seat 6: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls River - (8.50 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___folds Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Seat 6: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___folds Total pot: (10.50 BB - $5.25) |
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Re: Stud Hi Hand, Two issues relating to split pairs and betting strategy
Among other things, you need to fold the river. Check raising 5th is not a good idea either. Do you really want to go 2 big bets 4 ways with 1 dead pair?
I am assuming the 5 was the bring in and open completed? If you are sure you are ahead thenI see no problem raising on 3rd. As played, I probably lead out on 4th given your relative position, either than or find a fold somewhere. |
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Re: Stud Hi Hand, Two issues relating to split pairs and betting strat
The river call is pretty hopeless. I don't think that fifth is the best spot for a check-raise. You've got a dead hand, and I'm not even sure I want to put any more money into this pot.
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Re: Stud Hi Hand, Two issues relating to split pairs and betting strat
You ought to re-pop it on third with what is most likely the best hand. A complete bring-in usually means one of three things:
1) a pair of Fives 2) a mis-click 3) Perry Friedman is at the table and someone wants to tilt him. In any case, if you don't get it heads-up, having the Tens in the middle gives you a nice overlay. Your hand will be best more often that not. As played, throw it away on Six. Your two-pair outs just went South, leaving you with probably 7 outs, one card to come and no implied odds bonus. |
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Re: Stud Hi Hand, Two issues relating to split pairs and betting strat
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You ought to re-pop it on third with what is most likely the best hand. A complete bring-in usually means one of three things: 1) a pair of Fives 2) a mis-click 3) Perry Friedman is at the table and someone wants to tilt him. In any case, if you don't get it heads-up, having the Tens in the middle gives you a nice overlay. Your hand will be best more often that not. As played, throw it away on Six. Your two-pair outs just went South, leaving you with probably 7 outs, one card to come and no implied odds bonus. [/ QUOTE ] I am a fan of number 3, especially after he is whining about a beat. Raise 3rd. |
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Re: Stud Hi Hand, Two issues relating to split pairs and betting strat
Perry Friedman is still whining, eh? What a surprise. Just jam it up on third here and, yeah, fold the river.
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Re: Stud Hi Hand, Two issues relating to split pairs and betting strat
Thanks for the helpful comments everyone.
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Re: Stud Hi Hand, Two issues relating to split pairs and betting strat
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3) Perry Friedman is at the table and someone wants to tilt him. [/ QUOTE ] priceless |
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