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villain has been pretty aggro so far.
Poker Stars Limit Omaha Ring game Limit: $30/$60 3 players Converter Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises</font>, Hero calls <font color="#aaaaaa">(2.5:1)</font>. Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3SB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls <font color="#aaaaaa">(8:1)</font>. Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.5BB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB calls <font color="#aaaaaa">(7.5:1)</font>. River: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8.5BB, 2 players) SB checks, Hero |
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river is an easy bet. nut low + a pair is a great hand here. you have no reason to fear getting quartered here, so you bet for value, hoping he ended up with a weak low on the river. In fact i think i would bet without the king here just for the small chance that he folds a better hand (pair of 4s, low pocketpair, etc).
the flop raise is more questionable. i dont think a flop raise is a good against an aggressive player. For one, he will get value out of his better high hands by 3betting. two, even if he doesnt 3bet you he still has a good number of cards he can hit on the turn to see you through to the river. so your raise isn't for value and it doesnt generate much fold equity. if you had a pair to go with your nut low draw on the flop a raise would be good because it gives you more equity for the times he doesnt have a pair and for the times that you hit two pair on a later street. |
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why raise the flop? What did you hope would happen?
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why raise the flop? What did you hope would happen? -g [/ QUOTE ] *I play full ring* But isnt his play here standard because he is taking the lead and SBs opening range is most likely pretty wide. SB cant show down one pair can he? And taking all that heat puts him in a bad spot with even a lot of other hands. Raising the turn when a low card hits just seems super transparent and then I think he shows down more. In addition even a duece or try hits he still will be good most of the time with his 6. I want to raise to take control because there is a reasonable chance he might fold, and if he doesnt I have the nut low draw. But to address the actual hand the river is an easy bet. If he calls you will most likely win half, but he has to call first which IMP he cant do with a lot of hands. |
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why raise the flop? What did you hope would happen? -g [/ QUOTE ] He folds KKQJ etc instantly, he calls with A5KQ, then folds to an unfavorable card, or he calls with whatever and checks the turn, giving a free card. I like a flop raise. |
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[ QUOTE ] why raise the flop? What did you hope would happen? -g [/ QUOTE ] He folds KKQJ etc instantly, he calls with A5KQ, then folds to an unfavorable card, or he calls with whatever and checks the turn, giving a free card. I like a flop raise. [/ QUOTE ] I think its opponent dependent (onthe flop). you are in effect semi-bluffing here. you are very rarely going to be ahead here, and if you get to showdown, you are more likely to be scooped than to scoop him, tho you are often going to win half the pot. But given the pot odds, that doesn't mean continuing/raising is wrong due to fold equity. On balance I myself probably raise there more often than any other action, but it depends since your hand's value is very fold equity dependent so the less your opponent can fold the less I like raising, and i don't think raising is automatic. thats why my original question really was a question and not a "youre an idiot and I'm socrates" post in disguise. and on the river I bet/raise and its not close. -g |
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This is an easy bet. He has to have a perfect 4 card hand (nut low + 2 pair) for you to be quartered. If you bet and he raises and you get quartered you put in 2 more bets and lost 1.5 bets that you wouldn't if you had checked. If you check and he shows down a pair of Aces he wins 4.25 bets you could have won by making him fold to your bet.
The upside of betting is almost three times as valuable as the downside, and he definitely folds WAY more than he check/raises. I honestly don't even see a check/raise as a possibility here, I'm just using it as an example of why you have to bet here. |
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actually he only has to have A23x
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actually he only has to have A23x [/ QUOTE ] the turn? seems pretty standard to do so.... doesnt he 3bet A23x on on the turn? seems pretty standard to do so. anyways i bet the riv and we split. also, i cant believe ppl dont think this flop is a rz...i have the nut low draw, on an A high flop. if hes raising KKxx or some other random hand into me then i can also get him to fold...also i can charge him to draw to a worse low than me |
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[ QUOTE ] actually he only has to have A23x [/ QUOTE ] the turn? seems pretty standard to do so.... doesnt he 3bet A23x on on the turn? seems pretty standard to do so. anyways i bet the riv and we split. also, i cant believe ppl dont think this flop is a rz...i have the nut low draw, on an A high flop. if hes raising KKxx or some other random hand into me then i can also get him to fold...also i can charge him to draw to a worse low than me [/ QUOTE ] I dont think raising on the flop is bad necessarily, its just that you have no high and a draw to half the pot. How often do you think he has no ace, no middle pair, no lowish draw -g |
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