big draw checkup (last one i promise)

TheAnswer · #1 04-26-2006, 04:57 PM

sorry for the trifecta of posts, but when I lose a lot I post a lot. how am i playing these?

so Hand #1:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($447.20)
Button ($161.60)
SB ($257)
BB ($187)
UTG ($606.40)
MP ($595.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG raises to $10, 1 fold, Hero calls $10, Button calls $10, 1 fold, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($42) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $30, Button folds, BB raises to $60, UTG folds, Hero raises to $180, BB calls $117 (All-In).

Final Pot: $399

and Hand #2, this seems by far the worst of the two, don't know what i was thinking but whats the standard here:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($86)
CO ($679.50)
Button ($484.52)
SB ($514.43)
BB ($594.45)
Hero ($425.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, Button calls $16, 2 folds.

Flop: ($38) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $27, Button calls $27.

Turn: ($92) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $70, Button raises to $216.66, Hero calls $312.40 (All-In), Button calls $165.74.

Final Pot: $856.80

yvesaint · #2 04-26-2006, 04:58 PM

hand 2 id rather c/r all-in on turn rather than bet it

ahnuld · #3 04-26-2006, 05:58 PM

Hand one is standard, hand 2 a CR allin is much better. You have almost no fold equity after he raises you so its a math problem. Pushing is kinda dumb, if you have the odds just call and try to hit.

TheAnswer · #4 04-26-2006, 06:15 PM

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Hand one is standard, hand 2 a CR allin is much better. You have almost no fold equity after he raises you so its a math problem. Pushing is kinda dumb, if you have the odds just call and try to hit.

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Seems so obvious, no idea why I didn't do that. And yes, I was pretty aware that pushing was dumb, but it certainly didn't stop me. I like the c/r allin line.

frozzor · #5 04-26-2006, 06:20 PM

hand 1 is pretty bad i think, he can easily have AT or QT
hand 2 is fine, c/r allin works too

Slappz · #6 04-26-2006, 11:30 PM

Hand 1, big draws suck on paired boards. Just call the miniraise id say.

Hand 2 is just an odds question since you have no fold equity.

Tao_Jones · #7 04-26-2006, 11:40 PM

I agree with Yves on hand 2, CR/AI is beteter. As played, why push if you have no fold equity? Call and try to catch, save yourself some cash when a brick rolls off, pretty safe to assume your getting paid if you hit, so theres not much of a reason to worry about that... [censored] who knows, maybe the 3h rolls off and you win with Q hi because he pushed with JTs? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Thremp · #8 04-27-2006, 12:06 AM

Hand 1 Standard

Hand 2 As played. Call raise. C/F if you miss. Push if you hit. Obviously C/R AI is better.

jsnipes28 · #9 04-27-2006, 12:17 AM

Hand 1: Sucks, he has a T here the majority of the time and will not fold. Just call and see turn.

Hand 2: CRAI on turn. Pretty sure you are getting odds but crai is better.

2+2 wannabe · #10 04-27-2006, 12:21 AM

am I the only one who checks the flop in hand 1?

hand 2 I check the turn and figure it out from there