KK NO goot!

goofball · #1 03-27-2006, 08:34 PM

Villian here is unknown but is acting extremely quickly for whatever that's worth.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 4 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises

My options are:

call and call
fold
call and fold unless the river is a 3, 8, 9, or K.

Bill C · #2 03-27-2006, 09:19 PM

Fold.
The PFR from EP tells you he has a good hand in the TT, ATs, KJs, AQ range, and the fact that he called your PFR probably KO's AA, KK, AK. His bet/3-bet after your play on the first two rounds says he can beat your over-pair, and his CR on the turn looks pretty sincere. I'd put him on 2 pair, or more likely a set of either QQQ or perhaps 999.

The speed with which he acts doesn't say much, but what he does speaks volumes.

Just my $.02 worth...

bill c

goofball · #3 03-28-2006, 08:30 AM

good choice. I chose call call like a stubborn fish and got shown Q9s

Nick Royale · #4 03-28-2006, 08:46 AM

Don't cap the flop. We 3-betted preflop and raised the flop, unless villain is retarded he'll put us on AQ+.

siegfriedandroy · #5 03-28-2006, 08:57 AM

How can you fold if he has 2 pair, since you still have seven outs?

siegfriedandroy · #6 03-28-2006, 09:00 AM

hard to put him on 2 pair, unless he's a pretty loose raiser. Q9 is only possibility. If we knew he had 2 pair, then calling turn, folding UI is best, no? But if we can heavily weight his hand in favor of a set (which seems appropriate here), then i guess we can find a fold. How to figure out the math, exactly, though, I have no clue.

Nick Royale · #7 03-28-2006, 09:47 AM

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Don't cap the flop. We 3-betted preflop and raised the flop, unless villain is retarded he'll put us on AQ+.

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I re-read the post and judging from where the pfr came the only hand that beats you is 99, so I don't mind capping.

imashyboi · #8 03-28-2006, 10:42 AM

Preflop - Standard

Flop - I think capping here is a little too much. We 3bet preflop and BB calls 2cold out of position and leads on the flop. There is a possibility he could have AQs, QQ, or 99 in this situation. I would raise/call in this situation.

Turn - He's check is very suspect at this point. A tag isn't going to check if he has the nuts unless he knows your going to bet this majority of the time. Being check/raised indicated you're way behind at this point in my opnion. I'll probably check here and just call down.