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Old 10-29-2007, 10:49 PM
cheburashka cheburashka is offline
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Default 25 NL: TPWK on monotone board

Table is generally loose-passive. I’m playing at 16/12/3 over 300 hands (probably doesn’t mean anything for this hand; I’m just happy that I’m finally able to show aggressive stats)

UTG ($9.60 in chips)
UTG+1 ($17.05 in chips)
MP1 ($11 in chips)
MP2 ($23.55 in chips)
HJ ($24.50 in chips)
CO ($109.65 in chips)
BU ($43 in chips)
SB ($10 in chips)
Hero ($34.85 in chips)

Hero is BB with 5s Ks

Two folds, MP1 calls $0.25, three folds, BU calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop ($1) Kh 9h 3h

SB checks, Hero???

So, we have two three limpers, and it’s very likely that I have the best hand right now. But if I bet, no one with a K, 9, 3, PP or reasonably high heart will fold, as the table is very loose-passive, and my hand is vulnerable to a whole bunch of turn cards. OTOH, if I don’t bet, there is ~100% chance that someone with a K, 9, 3, PP or reasonably high heart will bet, and I’d rather not get involved at that point.

So my default here is to c-f. But when I do, I feel that a real player would be able to make money here, and that I’m really just a weak-tight fish pretending to be a TAG.

OK, this isn’t such a big hand, but these situations come up a lot, and I have a suspicion that they add up to a lot of value that I’m losing.
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:53 PM
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Default Re: 25 NL: TPWK on monotone board

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my default here is to c-f.

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Old 10-29-2007, 11:23 PM
Johnes Benjamin Johnes Benjamin is offline
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Default Re: 25 NL: TPWK on monotone board

I think most people will check and usually fold.

I prefer to lead in these spots. I think a lot of times people float limped pots and you pick it up with another bet on turn.
If a heart comes you can easily let it go. If you get a lot of resistance it is an easy fold.

I have heard many people say c/f that are better players than me but I think there is easily value here.

edit: also, obv. you can pick it up on flop too
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Old 10-29-2007, 11:28 PM
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Default Re: 25 NL: TPWK on monotone board

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edit: also, obv. you can pick it up on flop too

[/ QUOTE ]against 3 players this is overly optimistic IMO. I'd bet this HU and 3 ways is close but 4 is def. c/f for me.
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:07 AM
Johnes Benjamin Johnes Benjamin is offline
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Default Re: 25 NL: TPWK on monotone board

yeah, 4 handed i guess i agree
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:02 AM
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Default Re: 25 NL: TPWK on monotone board

4 handed on a monotone board you are most likely getting a call and facing awkward decisions on future streets
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Old 10-30-2007, 07:52 AM
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Default Re: 25 NL: TPWK on monotone board

c/f. I think i might give it a shot if i had raised PF, as people might put me on a K.
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