60$ - AK early - standard fold vs gravy?

Luisgallo · #1 10-27-2007, 08:59 AM

CO is spacegravy, very first hand, his range is only QQ+/AK, standard fold?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to t40, 2 folds, CO raises to t160, 2 folds, BB calls t140, MP1 calls t120.

Flop: (t490) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, CO bets t240, BB raises to t1340, MP1 folds, CO calls t1100 (All-In).

Turn: (t3170) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3170) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3170

Scotty_12 · #2 10-27-2007, 09:18 AM

I cant see playing AKo ever being profitable in this spot, nh

Little John · #3 10-27-2007, 09:50 AM

i think his range is a bit wider, probably includes JJ. but yeah, this has all sorts of reverse implied odds. i think fold is fine. calling is not too bad either, but you have to proceed with extreme caution postflop.

Scotty_12 · #4 10-27-2007, 09:52 AM

on A or K high flops he is only proceeding with hands we chop with or lose to, which is why I think dumping it preflop is the best play. Also what if donk minraiser comes over the top because hes a donk, or because he has a legit hand. Then we have gifted ourselves a one way ticket to spewville

Little John · #5 10-27-2007, 09:55 AM

[ QUOTE ]
on A or K high flops he is only proceeding with hands we chop with or lose to, which is why I think dumping it preflop is the best play. Also what if donk minraiser comes over the top because hes a donk, or because he has a legit hand. Then we have gifted ourselves a one way ticket to spewville

[/ QUOTE ]

yep, i've been dumping AK in this spot. the only thing going for you is this will usually go to the flop 3 way and if SG has JJ or QQ on Axx or Kxx he wont c-bet it and you have a decent chance to stack the minraiser.

Luisgallo · #6 10-27-2007, 11:11 AM

[ QUOTE ]
i think his range is a bit wider, probably includes JJ. but yeah, this has all sorts of reverse implied odds. i think fold is fine. calling is not too bad either, but you have to proceed with extreme caution postflop.

[/ QUOTE ]

John I cant possibly put JJ in Gravy's range here.

sence25 · #7 10-27-2007, 11:53 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i think his range is a bit wider, probably includes JJ. but yeah, this has all sorts of reverse implied odds. i think fold is fine. calling is not too bad either, but you have to proceed with extreme caution postflop.

[/ QUOTE ]

John I cant possibly put JJ in Gravy's range here.

[/ QUOTE ]
Why? there is only a minraise in front.
How would gravy play jj here?
just calling looks horribly weak..

Little John · #8 10-27-2007, 12:20 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i think his range is a bit wider, probably includes JJ. but yeah, this has all sorts of reverse implied odds. i think fold is fine. calling is not too bad either, but you have to proceed with extreme caution postflop.

[/ QUOTE ]

John I cant possibly put JJ in Gravy's range here.

[/ QUOTE ]

i have not played with him a ton so i'm not sure. i just know that i do it and i really can't imagine anyone not reraising JJ in this spot.

Luisgallo · #9 10-27-2007, 03:03 PM

[ QUOTE ]

Why? there is only a minraise in front.
How would gravy play jj here?
just calling looks horribly weak..

[/ QUOTE ]

first hand vs an unknown min raise in position? I like calling here.

JoeSchmo · #10 10-27-2007, 04:27 PM

Folding can't be very wrong. Calling (or reraising) could be. I'd fold too.