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Old 10-25-2007, 01:02 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default oh, he shoved the river. crap.

hand 1:

Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
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BB: $1,123
Hero (SB): $1,514.60

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $175</font>, Hero calls $135

Flop: ($350) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($350) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($350) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $948 and is All-In</font>, hero?

villain is basically unknown. we've been playing HU for about 15 hands and he seems relatively normal. he 3bet me once and i folded. i've been on the quiet side but nothing remarkable at all.

hand 2:

Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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UTG: $1,510.50
MP: $828.50
CO: $1,000
Hero (BTN): $1,509.75
SB: $222
BB: $1,818

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $30</font>, MP calls $30, CO folds, Hero calls $30, SB calls $25, BB calls $20

Flop: ($150) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets $70</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $70, SB folds

Turn: ($290) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $220</font>, BB calls $220

River: ($730) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $1,498 and is All-In</font>, hero?

i have 1189 left.

villain is 18/9.5 in 275 hands. i haven't really noticed him much to this point.

edit to include 2nd hand.
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Old 10-25-2007, 01:28 AM
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Default Re: oh, he shoved the river. crap.

fold/complain and fold (or call if you're steaming)
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Old 10-25-2007, 01:37 AM
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Default Re: oh, he shoved the river. crap.

Hand #1: Fold.

Hand #2: Call really fast. He doesn't have 67(unless it's 6d7d) and if he has hearts it has to be something stupid like.. AhTh. My bet is that he missed diamonds and is overbetting the pot to force you off a hand like AT-AK.
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Old 10-25-2007, 02:00 AM
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Default Re: oh, he shoved the river. crap.

calling hand 2 is burning money, 1 is a bit closer but i would fold
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Old 10-25-2007, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: oh, he shoved the river. crap.

i probably fold preflop in hand #1.
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Old 10-25-2007, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: oh, he shoved the river. crap.

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i probably fold preflop in hand #1.

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Hero has AQ, HU
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Old 10-25-2007, 02:16 AM
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Default Re: oh, he shoved the river. crap.

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i probably fold preflop in hand #1.

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Hero has AQ, HU

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3-betting to $175 is a really really big 3-bet. If this is an unknown this screams monster to me. i'd prefer to fold this and wait to see if this is his standard 3-bet amount and with what range he is doing it.
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Old 10-25-2007, 02:16 AM
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calling hand 2 is burning money, 1 is a bit closer but i would fold

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are you serious? please tell me how aside from a hand like AhTh/AhJh/6d7d villain has us beat. villain leads into 4 people on the flop of Ad4h3d. Here he either has:

A. A set
B. A flush draw (or flush draw + straight draw)
C. Aces up
D. A pair of aces
E. A straight (most unlikely me thinks)

Now turn comes 5h

He checks, and we bet 220. He calls.

I really don't think he c/c with a set/straight/aces up. So he either has an a pair of aces or a flush draw.

River, he overbets pot.

Why?!

Well the way we played our hand it looks like we either have a vulnerable hand (seriously the times we have A2 here is like really low as opposed to other hands). So he bets us all in to push us off. I don't think he'd bet all-in with AThh/AJhh because he would want to get paid off (although I don't know history and how thin OP makes calls so if he can make a call like this with AQ/AK then I guess it's for value as well, but I really doubt it).

So honestly, he either has 6d7d/AThh/AJhh or nothing. I really think we have the winning hand here and I don't see it as burning money.
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Old 10-25-2007, 02:21 AM
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Default Re: oh, he shoved the river. crap.

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i probably fold preflop in hand #1.

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Hero has AQ, HU

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3-betting to $175 is a really really big 3-bet. If this is an unknown this screams monster to me. i'd prefer to fold this and wait to see if this is his standard 3-bet amount and with what range he is doing it.

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fwiw the other time that he 3bet my pfr and his 3bet were the same size.
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