30NL - 6 max - Two folds?

Ryba · #1 10-27-2007, 05:38 PM

I'm playing 22/18/3, both from the same session.

CO is 54/18/1 and is a calling station. Is this a fold or call?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $34
Hero (SB): $30.15
BB: $43.05
UTG: $56.55
MP: $57.95
CO: $26.45

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.90, CO calls $0.90, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.75, BB folds

Flop: ($3) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero bets $2.10, MP folds, CO calls $2.10

Turn: ($7.20) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $6, CO raises to $12, Hero ?

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SB seems decent 26/20/2 button is a calling station 54/18/1, SB is decent so if he has any two pair combo/set he should be raising the flop here, since he flat called this leans me more towards a call. How's the turn bet? and as played call or fold?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $58.65
Hero (BB): $32.35
UTG: $28.50
BTN: $53.50

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, BTN raises to $1.05, SB calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.15) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.70, BTN calls $2.70, SB calls $2.70

Turn: ($11.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6.60, BTN calls $6.60, SB raises to $30, Hero ?

john voight · #2 10-27-2007, 06:00 PM

1. neither
2. prolly neither again, although this spot is mouch tougher.

Jw513 · #3 10-27-2007, 06:28 PM

Hand 1 - Eassy shove
Hand 2 - This one is really tough. He could have 34 or a boat. tough spot. I think its read dependent.

john voight · #4 10-28-2007, 12:14 AM

who is villain on hand 2? that might clear things up.

Tito · #5 10-28-2007, 01:04 AM

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Hand 2 - This one is really tough. He could have 34 or a boat. tough spot. I think its read dependent.

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He could also have an overpair like 99+. I'm not saying he doesn't have the boat but we can't discount overpairs either. His stats are decent which means he's probably a pretty good player so why would he push? There shouldn't be any river that he's worried about and plenty he should welcome. There's no reason to push out any hand we hold so making a tough all-in decision from us makes no sense. I would call and make a note if he did indeed push the near nuts. I'd guess he holds a boat less than 20% of the time here.

Jw513 · #6 10-28-2007, 01:15 AM

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Hand 2 - This one is really tough. He could have 34 or a boat. tough spot. I think its read dependent.

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He could also have an overpair like 99+. I'm not saying he doesn't have the boat but we can't discount overpairs either. His stats are decent which means he's probably a pretty good player so why would he push? There shouldn't be any river that he's worried about and plenty he should welcome. There's no reason to push out any hand we hold so making a tough all-in decision from us makes no sense. I would call and make a note if he did indeed push the near nuts. I'd guess he holds a boat less than 20% of the time here.

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You make a good point, but I from what I've seen, big overbets/raises usually mean a very strong hand. If he's got an overpair, with his stats, he def bets flop here and theres no way he shoves an overpair on that type of board unless hes terrible.

Ryba · #7 10-28-2007, 01:21 AM

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who is villain on hand 2? that might clear things up.

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Hand 1 - i pushed he had KT [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I obv never fill up
Hand 2 - villain was "Batya"

john voight · #8 10-28-2007, 04:35 AM

folding this all night vs Batya

Ender Wiggin · #9 10-28-2007, 05:46 AM

villains turn min-raise in hand 1 is always a flush. You are getting the correct odds to boat up though. Call and stack villain when the board pairs.

Ryba · #10 10-28-2007, 07:43 PM

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folding this all night vs Batya

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O RLY - in the hand i called he had 85o and I held, but it was very close