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how to analyze betting patterns and use it against your opponents?
Hi all,
im new on this forum so i introduce myself. Im a 23 year old profesional poker player from Holland. playing 25/50NLH on several european sites. I decided to post here cause on dutch forums there arent many very good players who can answer my question. I have an big PT database and i wanna use it against my opponents by analyzing their betting patterns. I have already been thinking about flop patterns. Sometimes i figure someone is leading the flop with mediocre and hands (like a low top pair) and leadng flush and straight draws, but if i know this how can i use it against them? and what can i find out more on flop patterns? Or should i try to find out more on turn and river patterns? And how should i do this? and how can i use this this against them? I hope my question is clear, if not ask me and i will answer as soon as possible. Thanks! |
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Re: how to analyze betting patterns and use it against your opponents?
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Hi all, Im a 23 year old profesional poker player from Holland. playing 25/50NLH on several european sites. [/ QUOTE ] don't lie |
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Re: how to analyze betting patterns and use it against your opponents?
take a look at celebpoker and cakepoker, playing there at least 20 hours a week
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Re: how to analyze betting patterns and use it against your opponents?
saan,
instead of asking people to do the work for you, why don't you come up with hypotheses and examples for us to talk about? you have a big PT database so you will be able to dig up hands. for instance, show us a bunch of different types of betting patterns through hand examples - then hypothesize how you can use those betting patterns against them. you're a 25/50nl player so you should be smart enough to come up with something good. then we can all analyze. good luck!! |
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Re: how to analyze betting patterns and use it against your opponents?
Hi KRANTZ,
thanks for you reply, it wasnt my itention to let all the work for me done. Its certainly a good idea to post some different types of hands. I thought it is a good idea to start with one opponent. I have changed his nick to playerX cause he might read here or type his name is google. I have already noticed that he plays his hands a lot different against weaker player than against strong players. So i only slow hands that he played against good players. I selected some hands where he was on a pure bluff, a few hands when he flops it(set or straight), some hands when he has an overpair and some hands when he hits his pair on flop. If i forget someting let me know then i try to find it. I also have added some 10/20 hands cause that database is a lot bigger. on a pure bluff: BossMedia Game #797763327: Table Table TH 849 - $25.00/$50.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 01:41:45 - 2007/10/22 Seat 1: Energie123 ($14909.00) Seat 2: Super_Saan ($4950.00) Seat 3: AAKK20 ($11291.00) Seat 4: PlayerX ($5607.23) Seat 5: olemandus1 ($4925.00) AAKK20 posts the big blind of $50.00 Super_Saan posts the small blind of $25.00 Energie123 is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [6s 6c] PlayerX raises $200.00 olemandus1 calls $200.00 Energie123 calls $200.00 Super_Saan calls $200.00 AAKK20 folds *** FLOP *** [2s 3s Td] Super_Saan checks PlayerX bets $550.00 olemandus1 folds Energie123 calls $550.00 Super_Saan folds *** TURN *** [2s 3s Td] [Js] PlayerX checks Energie123 checks *** RIVER *** [2s 3s Td Js] [Kc] PlayerX bets $1550.00 Energie123 calls $1550.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $5047.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [2s 3s Td Js Kc] Energie123 won ($5047.00), showed [Jd Th] Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks AAKK20 won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($0.00), showed [9s 7h] olemandus1 won ($0.00), mucks pair + draw: BossMedia Game #729368457: Table Table TH 24 - $25.00/$50.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:38:08 - 2007/08/24 Seat 1: Super_Saan ($9531.00) Seat 2: Im a THUG ($7945.00) Seat 3: hakan83 ($4197.00) Seat 4: Pokergirl_ ($5928.50) Seat 5: PlayerX ($5369.00) Im a THUG posts the small blind of $25.00 hakan83 posts the big blind of $50.00 Super_Saan is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [4d Jc] Pokergirl_ raises $200.00 PlayerX calls $200.00 Super_Saan folds Im a THUG folds hakan83 folds *** FLOP *** [9d 6d Ts] Pokergirl_ bets $350.00 PlayerX calls $350.00 *** TURN *** [9d 6d Ts] [7d] Pokergirl_ checks PlayerX checks *** RIVER *** [9d 6d Ts 7d] [5d] Pokergirl_ bets $550.00 PlayerX raises $2000.00 Pokergirl_ calls $2000.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $5172.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [9d 6d Ts 7d 5d] Pokergirl_ won ($0.00), mucks Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks Im a THUG won ($0.00), mucks hakan83 won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($5172.00), showed [8d Td] top pair weak kicker: BossMedia Game #795425764: Table Table TH 5 - $25.00/$50.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 01:44:01 - 2007/10/20 Seat 1: PlayerX ($4944.00) Seat 2: HelmetHero ($5225.00) Seat 3: repicas ($3661.00) Seat 4: Super_Saan ($5866.00) Seat 5: MANOUEL ($6016.00) repicas posts the small blind of $25.00 Super_Saan posts the big blind of $50.00 HelmetHero is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [Ah 7h] MANOUEL folds PlayerX raises $200.00 HelmetHero calls $200.00 repicas folds Super_Saan folds *** FLOP *** [9d 9s Kd] PlayerX checks HelmetHero checks *** TURN *** [9d 9s Kd] [8h] PlayerX checks HelmetHero bets $500.00 PlayerX calls $500.00 *** RIVER *** [9d 9s Kd 8h] [8s] PlayerX checks HelmetHero bets $1500.00 PlayerX calls $1500.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4472.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [9d 9s Kd 8h 8s] PlayerX won ($4472.00), showed [Ks Td] HelmetHero won ($0.00), showed [4c As] repicas won ($0.00), mucks Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks MANOUEL won ($0.00), mucks underpair to the board in big pre flop pot: BossMedia Game #795462408: Table Table TH 446 - $50.00/$100.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 03:16:05 - 2007/10/20 Seat 1: Super_Saan ($19900.00) Seat 2: AllUcanE@T ($39730.54) Seat 4: AAKK20 ($9235.00) Seat 5: PlayerX ($7995.00) PlayerX posts the big blind of $100.00 AAKK20 posts the small blind of $50.00 AllUcanE@T is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [2c 6s] Super_Saan folds AllUcanE@T raises $400.00 AAKK20 calls $400.00 PlayerX raises $1600.00 AllUcanE@T calls $1600.00 AAKK20 calls $1600.00 *** FLOP *** [5c 9c Kh] AAKK20 checks PlayerX checks AllUcanE@T checks *** TURN *** [5c 9c Kh] [8s] AAKK20 checks PlayerX checks AllUcanE@T checks *** RIVER *** [5c 9c Kh 8s] [4c] AAKK20 checks PlayerX checks AllUcanE@T checks *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4795.00 | Rake $5.00 Board: [5c 9c Kh 8s 4c] Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks AllUcanE@T won ($4795.00), showed [Jd Jc] AAKK20 won ($0.00), showed [7s Js] PlayerX won ($0.00), showed [Th Ts] underpair to the board in low pot: BossMedia Game #783471549: Table Table TH 123 - $25.00/$50.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:17:15 - 2007/10/10 Seat 1: Big Gay Al ($7308.50) Seat 2: fredd333 ($10011.27) Seat 3: PlayerX ($5000.00) Seat 4: majamus20 ($1134.72) Seat 5: Super_Saan ($7507.00) majamus20 posts the big blind of $50.00 PlayerX posts the small blind of $25.00 fredd333 is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [3s 7h] Super_Saan folds Big Gay Al raises $150.00 fredd333 folds PlayerX calls $150.00 majamus20 folds *** FLOP *** [6s Jh 6h] PlayerX checks Big Gay Al bets $250.00 PlayerX raises $750.00 Big Gay Al calls $750.00 *** TURN *** [6s Jh 6h] [9c] PlayerX checks Big Gay Al checks *** RIVER *** [6s Jh 6h 9c] [2s] PlayerX checks Big Gay Al checks *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $1847.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [6s Jh 6h 9c 2s] Big Gay Al won ($1847.00), showed [Td Jd] fredd333 won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($0.00), showed [3c 3h] majamus20 won ($0.00), mucks Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks flopped set: BossMedia Game #780560450: Table Table TH 819 - $10.00/$20.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:45:31 - 2007/10/07 Seat 1: PlayerX ($2221.00) Seat 2: DogEatz_ ($4443.00) Seat 3: Super_Saan ($1980.00) Seat 4: fredd333 ($10982.66) Seat 5: Aniquil ($2047.00) DogEatz_ posts the big blind of $20.00 PlayerX posts the small blind of $10.00 Aniquil is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [Jh Kd] Super_Saan raises $80.00 fredd333 calls $80.00 Aniquil calls $80.00 PlayerX calls $80.00 DogEatz_ calls $80.00 *** FLOP *** [5d Kh 2h] PlayerX bets $320.00 DogEatz_ calls $320.00 Super_Saan folds fredd333 folds Aniquil goes all-in with $1967.00 PlayerX goes all-in with $2141.00 DogEatz_ folds *** TURN *** [5d Kh 2h] [Qd] *** RIVER *** [5d Kh 2h Qd] [8h] *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4651.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [5d Kh 2h Qd 8h] PlayerX won ($4651.00), showed [2d 2c] DogEatz_ won ($0.00), mucks Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks fredd333 won ($0.00), mucks Aniquil won ($0.00), showed [Ks 2s] flush draw with overs: BossMedia Game #783420270: Table Table TH 820 - $10.00/$20.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:28:15 - 2007/10/10 Seat 1: Big Gay Al ($1980.00) Seat 2: casinotour ($968.00) Seat 3: Super_Saan ($2000.00) Seat 4: PlayerX ($2147.00) Seat 5: Alusch54 ($4889.16) Big Gay Al posts the small blind of $10.00 casinotour posts the big blind of $20.00 Alusch54 is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [6d 7d] Super_Saan raises $80.00 PlayerX calls $80.00 Alusch54 calls $80.00 Big Gay Al folds casinotour calls $80.00 *** FLOP *** [Ts 6c 7s] casinotour checks Super_Saan bets $280.00 PlayerX calls $280.00 Alusch54 raises $710.00 casinotour folds Super_Saan folds PlayerX calls $710.00 *** TURN *** [Ts 6c 7s] [Ad] PlayerX goes all-in with $1357.00 Alusch54 calls $1357.00 *** RIVER *** [Ts 6c 7s Ad] [8s] *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4741.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [Ts 6c 7s Ad 8s] Alusch54 won ($0.00), mucks Big Gay Al won ($0.00), mucks casinotour won ($0.00), mucks Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($4741.00), showed [Ks Js] a flopped straight: BossMedia Game #721199628: Table Table TH 200 - $10.00/$20.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:33:31 - 2007/08/16 Seat 1: ros65 ($734.50) Seat 2: Super_Saan ($3198.00) Seat 3: Tilt@JeKi ($1970.00) Seat 4: PlayerX ($2269.00) Seat 5: YES_I_WON ($2783.80) ros65 posts the small blind of $10.00 Super_Saan posts the big blind of $20.00 YES_I_WON is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [8h Jh] Tilt@JeKi folds PlayerX raises $60.00 YES_I_WON calls $60.00 ros65 folds Super_Saan calls $60.00 *** FLOP *** [9c Js Tc] Super_Saan checks PlayerX bets $140.00 YES_I_WON folds Super_Saan calls $140.00 *** TURN *** [9c Js Tc] [7d] Super_Saan checks PlayerX bets $260.00 Super_Saan calls $260.00 *** RIVER *** [9c Js Tc 7d] [2h] Super_Saan bets $900.00 PlayerX goes all-in with $1809.00 Super_Saan calls $1809.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4605.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [9c Js Tc 7d 2h] Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks ros65 won ($0.00), mucks Tilt@JeKi won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($4605.00), showed [Kc Qc] YES_I_WON won ($0.00), mucks top pair top kicker: BossMedia Game #780563025: Table Table TH 819 - $10.00/$20.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:48:53 - 2007/10/07 Seat 1: PlayerX ($4625.00) Seat 2: DogEatz_ ($4250.00) Seat 3: Super_Saan ($4007.00) Seat 4: fredd333 ($8882.66) Seat 5: Aniquil ($2000.00) fredd333 posts the small blind of $10.00 Aniquil posts the big blind of $20.00 Super_Saan is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [7c 7d] PlayerX raises $80.00 DogEatz_ calls $80.00 Super_Saan calls $80.00 fredd333 folds Aniquil folds *** FLOP *** [Qs 4c Th] PlayerX bets $220.00 DogEatz_ calls $220.00 Super_Saan folds *** TURN *** [Qs 4c Th] [6h] PlayerX checks DogEatz_ checks *** RIVER *** [Qs 4c Th 6h] [5h] PlayerX bets $560.00 DogEatz_ calls $560.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $1827.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [Qs 4c Th 6h 5h] DogEatz_ won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($1827.00), showed [Qh Ah] Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks fredd333 won ($0.00), mucks Aniquil won ($0.00), mucks value betting top pair when only beat QJ: BossMedia Game #747560882: Table Table TH 380 - $10.00/$20.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:10:15 - 2007/09/09 Seat 1: bmhykss ($2321.00) Seat 2: fico100 ($1293.44) Seat 3: EL-MILAGRO ($1777.00) Seat 4: PlayerX ($2037.00) Seat 5: Super_Saan ($2272.00) fico100 posts the big blind of $20.00 bmhykss posts the small blind of $10.00 Super_Saan is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [5d Kh] EL-MILAGRO folds PlayerX raises $60.00 Super_Saan folds bmhykss calls $60.00 fico100 folds *** FLOP *** [Ts Js 4c] bmhykss checks PlayerX bets $100.00 bmhykss calls $100.00 *** TURN *** [Ts Js 4c] [6d] bmhykss checks PlayerX bets $260.00 bmhykss calls $260.00 *** RIVER *** [Ts Js 4c 6d] [3d] bmhykss checks PlayerX bets $520.00 bmhykss calls $520.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $1897.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [Ts Js 4c 6d 3d] bmhykss won ($0.00), mucks fico100 won ($0.00), mucks EL-MILAGRO won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($1897.00), showed [Kd Jd] Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks so what should i notice at these patterns and how can i use this against him? I hope we can all learn from it. If there is anyting missing in this post, let me know. Thanks! |
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Re: how to analyze betting patterns and use it against your opponents?
umm these are not betting patterns. these are hands a specific player has played with no real relation to each other. your OP talks about flop leads or turn bets; this is all just random and scattered.
if you want to discuss specific players, or even get a better idea of just what betting patterns are, i would suggest getting a coach or at least spending some more time by yourself, looking at your hands and using your brain to think about poker analytically. |
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Re: how to analyze betting patterns and use it against your opponents?
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umm these are not betting patterns. these are hands a specific player has played with no real relation to each other. your OP talks about flop leads or turn bets; this is all just random and scattered. if you want to discuss specific players, or even get a better idea of just what betting patterns are, i would suggest getting a coach or at least spending some more time by yourself, looking at your hands and using your brain to think about poker analytically. [/ QUOTE ] Your the best Jay [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] ~stephen |
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