1/2 KK vs twoblacknines

[pattay]

villain is twoblacknines, and this is a pretty common situation but it still trips me up. whats my plan for the rest of the hand here? what if the villain was a random?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP2 ($271)
MP3 ($117)
pattay ($173)
Button ($200)
SB ($186.35)
BB ($209.25)
UTG ($156)
UTG+1 ($129.95)
MP1 ($552.25)

Preflop: pattay is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $10</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">pattay raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $20.

Flop: ($65) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, pattay?

[CalledDownLight]

Mix it up, sometimes check sometimes bet. I'd favor check.

[Renton]

check, call turn fold river would be your standard line. I doubt i'd ever bet this flop here, but if you never do then you need to be checking Ax sometimes here as well.

[Effen]

Check, call or check behind turn again, vbet river.

[ASPoker8]

check flop

call a turn bet
call a river bet vs some villains

[PLAYOFFS]

I am not familiar with this villain. I am always a fan of betting the flop and I really don't think anything less than Ax gets fancy here. If you check you are essentially throwing the hand away. I don't think you'll get to a cheap showdown in situation often enough to endorse a check on that flop after you 3bet in position.

[futuredoc85]

checking the flop is std b/c you have plenty of showdown value and there is no need to turn your hand into a bluff. turn and river depend on the villain, can you tell me something about him besides his name?

[pattay]

to be clear (and sorry if this is painfully obvious) but the stars sn isnt twoblacknines, im referring to the 2p2 name (hes outed his sn but i wont in case he doesnt want me to), and other than his tracker stats that i have of like 13/8/2 ish the only thing i know about him really is that hes not a donk (i dont keep meticulous notes). also, it seems general consensus here is check this flop, but does anyone like something like a half-pot raise, and folding to a re-raise or any subsequent bets on later streets? seems like it would take away hard river bet decisions

EDIT: and i dont use a HUD, so the stats are really for looking back and analyzing, but during the hand i dont use that info

[futuredoc85]

i wouldnt turn your hand into a bluff anywhere in position, b/c although it makes the hand easier it also makes it less profitable. Id call a turn bet and prob fold to a river bet, although i might call the river if it was an A or T

[too eazy]

this hand is so player dependent. if you always bet Ax here then bet. IF not then check. Simple. Sometimes bet/calling is optimal if he's good enough.