KKJ5 flops FD 3-way

[roggles]

I need suggestions on how I should play this hand. Primarily on the flop, but also what I should do in case I don't get such a good turn card.

My first thought on the flop is that SB probably has a set or two pair. Maybe a NFD? But when he doesn't move all-in on COs raise I don't think he has a set. Still, I don't know how this justifies my actions here. I really feel lost as to what the correct flop play is.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
roggles: $68.50
CO: $15.55
Button: $10.70
SB: $48.35
BB: $46.75

Pre-flop: (5 players) roggles is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">roggles raises to $1.75</font>, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($5.75, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $5.75</font>, roggles calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in $13.8</font>, SB calls, roggles calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($47.15, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $47.15)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $32.8</font>, roggles calls.

[CrushinFelt]

Don't forget str8 + FDs in SBs range, which unless it's the Ace high flush draw, you are likely well ahead of.

[OrrLives]

[ QUOTE ]
I need suggestions on how I should play this hand. Primarily on the flop, but also what I should do in case I don't get such a good turn card.

My first thought on the flop is that SB probably has a set or two pair. Maybe a NFD? But when he doesn't move all-in on COs raise I don't think he has a set. Still, I don't know how this justifies my actions here. I really feel lost as to what the correct flop play is.


This is definitely a weird hand and knowing the players tendencies would help A LOT.

I would normally fold on the flop to the first bet from the SB. The SB is betting pot OOP into two players while I hold the 2nd nut flush draw, an overpair and a pair on the board. In addition, we have no idea if the short-stack CO is going to push on the flop which will cost you a lot more money. If the SB is super aggro, calling or even raising might be good options, but I think most players here are betting with a pretty good hand.

If a bad card comes on the turn and he bets pot, you will be getting ~80 to ~32 (5 to 2) on your money. IF your flush draw is good, you are not getting the proper odds if villain has a set.

[OrrLives]

This is what I meant to write:

This is definitely a weird hand and knowing the players tendencies would help A LOT.

I would normally fold on the flop to the first bet from the SB. The SB is betting pot OOP into two players while I hold the 2nd nut flush draw, an overpair and a pair on the board. In addition, we have no idea if the short-stack CO is going to push on the flop which will cost you a lot more money. If the SB is super aggro, calling or even raising might be good options, but I think most players here are betting with a pretty good hand.

If a bad card comes on the turn and he bets pot, you will be getting ~80 to ~32 (5 to 2) on your money. IF your flush draw is good, you are not getting the proper odds if villain has a set.

[roggles]

Bump. Does anyone else have any ideas?

[herbstl]

My first thought was pushing all in after the flop bet - but after doing a few hand analysis a shove isn't perfect, even if villain hasn't a set. A call on the flop after the bet imho is ok, second call is standard getting huge odds.

Few possible non-set hands (side-pot)
pokenum -o kh kd jd 5s - 5c 6d 7d 8c -- 5d 2c 8d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 2c 8d 5d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s Kd Jd Kh 320 39.02 500 60.98 0 0.00 0.390
8c 5c 7d 6d 500 60.98 320 39.02 0 0.00 0.610

pokenum -o kh kd jd 5s - 6s ad 6d 8s -- 5d 2c 8d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 2c 8d 5d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s Kd Jd Kh 357 43.54 463 56.46 0 0.00 0.435
8s 6s Ad 6d 463 56.46 357 43.54 0 0.00 0.565

pokenum -o kh kd jd 5s - 6s ad 6d ts -- 5d 2c 8d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 2c 8d 5d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s Kd Jd Kh 425 51.83 395 48.17 0 0.00 0.518
Ts 6s Ad 6d 395 48.17 425 51.83 0 0.00 0.482

[Elrazor]

reads? play of this hand is almost entirely dependant on SB's image. In a vacume i probably toss a coin for shove/fold