25nl: AK line check

Flups · #1 10-23-2007, 10:55 AM

UTG+2 is 20/7.41/0.89 over 53 hands. Standard? Anyone 4-bet pre?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $31.30
UTG+1: $26.95
UTG+2: $22.55
MP1: $27.25
Hero: $29.10
MP3: $28.50
CO: $25.50
Button: $8.35
SB: $34.90
BB: $11.25

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.5, UTG+2 raises to $1.75, MP1 folds, Hero calls, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($5.65, 3 players)
UTG+1 bets $3, UTG+2 raises to $14, Hero folds

Brocktoon · #2 10-23-2007, 11:16 AM

Yeah you're chopping at best and near dead most of the time. Good fold.

I wouldn't 4-bet it preflop either since he's got Aces or Kings a lot there and I'd have to call an all-in.

Steelerman · #3 10-23-2007, 11:33 AM

In fact if it wasn't a donkish minraise to open the pot which made UTG+2's 3-bet so small, this would normally be a fold pf.

TheBad · #4 10-23-2007, 01:17 PM

I have a question on this hand: If we put villain on a set here (we do ?), did he play this hand very bad then ? All after all we have TPTK...

ship_it_trebek · #5 10-23-2007, 01:22 PM

Are we really putting him on the last 2 aces in the deck or JJ exactly? Maybe this is spew but if we aren't committing on this flop, why are we calling preflop?

Flups · #6 10-24-2007, 07:15 AM

Ship it,

I call pre-flop to:

- Flop TPTK and possibly have someone dominated
- Flop a big draw (FD + overs, pair + FD etc.) and get it in based on (fold) equity
- ultimately: be freerolling on another AK-hand
- miss and get out cheap

Here I flopped my TPTK, but folded because:

- my hand is unlikely to be best right now seeing UTG+2's aggression. Whether it would be a split or he has AA/JJ/AJ seems irrelevant I think, as long as I think I'm behind enough to his range. And I can't see him having anything worse than TPTK here...
- my hand is unlikely to improve to the best hand by the river.

If there wouldn't have been a J on the flop or if I picked up a FD with my TPTK, then I would have confidently put my stack in the middle.

Reasonable?

MrBump · #7 10-24-2007, 08:16 AM

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UTG+2 is 20/7.41/0.89 over 53 hands. Standard? Anyone 4-bet pre?

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $31.30
UTG+1: $26.95
UTG+2: $22.55
MP1: $27.25
Hero: $29.10
MP3: $28.50
CO: $25.50
Button: $8.35
SB: $34.90
BB: $11.25

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.5, UTG+2 raises to $1.75, MP1 folds, Hero calls, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($5.65, 3 players)
UTG+1 bets $3, UTG+2 raises to $14, Hero folds

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I play it the same. Vs 2 villains showing aggression, your TPTK is rarely any good here.

I'd fold and keep a beady eye on both villains [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]