$11 - 88 in BB with 20-BB

FeuDuSoir · #1 10-17-2007, 06:13 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t13975)
Button (t54102)
SB (t13887)
Hero (t20799)
UTG (t24439)
UTG+1 (t33223)
MP1 (t9928)
MP2 (t42973)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t3000, 4 folds, Button calls t3000, 1 fold, Hero ????

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I didnt like shoving.

I didnt like folding.

I didnt like calling, because there are a lot of flops with lowish cards I like, but maybe shouldnt like because of UTG's range.

I decided to setmine and just fold every other flop. Even on a 245, 567 or J72 flop .

1) What would you do?

fold,
allin,
call to setmine
call to go allin on 235 or J27 flop?

2) would you setmine with 22 in this spot?

3) What would you shove? TT+ ?

Dunkman · #2 10-17-2007, 06:26 PM

I don't hate squeezing here, although I'd like it infinitely more if the guy didn't raise dead UTG. I don't really know what to do here besides call honestly, I mean getting 4.25:1 folding doesn't really seem right. A read would be super, as if I had a reason to believe this guy is raising lighter than the fairly typical AJ+ KQ 77+ then I'd like a shove a lot more. However, without a read, and given that this guy raised 3k of his 24k stack, I'm not a fan of shoving, or folding, so I guess it's set mine by default.

Coz · #3 10-17-2007, 06:53 PM

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I don't hate squeezing here, although I'd like it infinitely more if the guy didn't raise dead UTG. I don't really know what to do here besides call honestly, I mean getting 4.25:1 folding doesn't really seem right. A read would be super, as if I had a reason to believe this guy is raising lighter than the fairly typical AJ+ KQ 77+ then I'd like a shove a lot more. However, without a read, and given that this guy raised 3k of his 24k stack, I'm not a fan of shoving, or folding, so I guess it's set mine by default.

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I agree, if he wasn't UTG I would defeintly squeeze this, but given the odds, I would probably call.

FeuDuSoir · #4 10-17-2007, 07:04 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t13975)
Button (t54102)
SB (t13887)
Hero (t20799)
UTG (t24439)
UTG+1 (t33223)
MP1 (t9928)
MP2 (t42973)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t3000, 4 folds, Button calls t3000, 1 fold, Hero calls t2000.

Flop: (t8700) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t8700) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero ??

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What do we do here?

Do we bet and fold to an allin?

Or bet and call an allin?

Or check-call?

Or check-fold?

Dunkman · #5 10-17-2007, 09:56 PM

I see no reason to bet now, just check, I may c/c like a half pot bet.

FeuDuSoir · #6 10-17-2007, 10:04 PM

Ok, ty, looks like I didnt play it horrible after all. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

sean311 · #7 10-17-2007, 11:17 PM

Since you are in first position after the flop, I would check that turn, but any other position, I'd throw out a half-pot bet.

ChipSpeak · #8 10-17-2007, 11:31 PM

I don't see a reason to put another chip in this pot. We have a hand with, considering the position of the raiser, is looking for one thing and out. We missed, our stack can't afford another chip without a read to UTG, we could be crushed and his overpair is probly not going away now. We give away the last bit of reraise fold equity we have with any reasonable bet/call here. It may seem weak to let this go, but we can't afford giving any chips away at 17bb's, lost in a hand oop.

Dunkman · #9 10-18-2007, 12:01 AM

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I don't see a reason to put another chip in this pot. We have a hand with, considering the position of the raiser, is looking for one thing and out. We missed, our stack can't afford another chip without a read to UTG, we could be crushed and his overpair is probly not going away now. We give away the last bit of reraise fold equity we have with any reasonable bet/call here. It may seem weak to let this go, but we can't afford giving any chips away at 17bb's, lost in a hand oop.

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I totally agree with what you're saying, but I seriously doubt I'd be able to fold if he bets out t2500 or whatever.

HP_Drifter · #10 10-18-2007, 01:28 AM

Maybe its just me, but I would just fold this PF. As pointed out in OP, even if flop comes great for us (all low cards etc.) what can we really do? We pretty much have to bet/fold to a raise, which sucks. If I know that UTG is a retard with a huge range, I don't have much of a problem with calling, but I think I'd rather just fold it and wait for a situations where I'll know what to do postflop.