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Old 10-15-2007, 12:36 PM
Lethe Lethe is offline
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Default Dump it to the turn raise?

Villain is a pretty tight and fairly aggressive asian girl. BB is a superdonk. Villain has just turned the kill on.

I've never played with villain before this, and I'd only been at the table for about an hour - she probably sees me as kind of rock-ish, but I think she's probably calling a lot lighter pf than usual despite this because she's turned on the kill.

Folded to me in the CO, I raise AJs. Villain (with kill posted) calls on the button, BB calls.

Flop: Ac Ks 7h
Donk checks, I bet, villain calls, donk folds.

Turn: Qd
I bet, villain raises, Hero ??
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:49 PM
DeuceKicker DeuceKicker is offline
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Default Re: Dump it to the turn raise?

Hero calls.

You may have more outs than you think. An Ace might be good. A Ten makes the nuts. The board pairing might counterfeit villain's two pair.
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:05 PM
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Default Re: Dump it to the turn raise?

Villain definitely has two pair or better here. I'd be surprised if she had AK since I think she'd 3bet me pf with that hand, and probably doesn't have JT unless she had the bdfd to go with it and decided to get frisky.

However, AQ, A7, KQ, 77 could be in her range here. Add in JTs and my equity is around 18%. If I add in AK then my equity drops to 16.6%.

In that case, I think this makes it really close but still a call, correct?
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:11 PM
KitCloudkicker KitCloudkicker is offline
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Default Re: Dump it to the turn raise?

I call. if the river can't possibly help me i check/fold w/o a second thought

(rivers that "help" me: T, J, 7, A, Q, K).

my point here is that you have to put villain on range on the turn. then after you pick that range, you look at the river. if the river card gives you positive expectation given the pot size vs villain's range, you call. otherwise you fold.



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Old 10-15-2007, 01:12 PM
Niediam Niediam is offline
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Default Re: Dump it to the turn raise?

If villian definately has two pair then you should fold. But I don't see how you can make that determination after only playing with her for an hour.
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:44 PM
DeucesNeverLoses DeucesNeverLoses is offline
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Default Re: Dump it to the turn raise?

I agree w/ Kit, done.
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Old 10-15-2007, 02:00 PM
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Default Re: Dump it to the turn raise?

Niediam: what hand worse than 2 pair can you see her having on this turn then? AT?

Given my equity numbers for the turn (putting villain on the range I gave in pokerstove), would the turn then not be a call even though we know she has at least 2 pair?

Kit: These were my thoughts as well. I called the turn. River puts up a Qh and I call, losing to her full house.
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