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KJs multiway on a paired flop
No read on villain. Should I raise the turn to try to charge draws or just call down?
PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, CO calls, SB calls. Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, CO calls. Turn: (8 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero ??? |
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Re: KJs multiway on a paired flop
let him barrel off again into you
you can raise/fold a nonclub river if you think he wont bluffraise you and will pay off with a worse hand otherwise just call |
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Re: KJs multiway on a paired flop
The pot is getting big. By raising you will charge flush draws behind you.
The problem is that if you raise and someone 3-bets the pot while it protected you will be getting about 15 or 16:1 so folding is really iffy. I dunno really. I think you just gotta grit your teeth and raise. Folding fd's or have them call 2 is nice either way. |
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Re: KJs multiway on a paired flop
id feel a hell of a lot more comfortable
making this raise if the flop was 99cKc if you know he'll fire another barrel with a missed flush on the river calling the turn nets you the same amount of bets although if you raise the turn and dont get 3bet you have an easy value bet on the river if you call the turn i particularly like the a raise on a spade i doubt youll get 3bet often and still get paid off by worse i also dont like raising a turn here since calling down and folding to a 3b both seem nitty do you have any stats on this player? |
#5
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Re: KJs multiway on a paired flop
If the pot was HU I'd agree with you completely.
But the fact that its a 4-way pot makes raising better. Not sure if its enough to actually raise. I prolly end up calling down myself at the table |
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Re: KJs multiway on a paired flop
oink
ask brassmonkey i suck at reading hand histories [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] its multiway let me rethink this one a bit |
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Re: KJs multiway on a paired flop
is raising kjs form the big standard when it's only 4-way? if so what other hands should i be doing this with? same hands id raise utg?
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Re: KJs multiway on a paired flop
okay since he c/r the field
he could easily have a flushdraw raising on pure equity alone his hand is also protected from a raise for fear he may have an 8 id raise and fold to 3 if one of the players behind us 3bs id have a feeling wed be drawing to one out at that point if we get called behind us and the sb 3bets i think we have no choice but to call down only thing im unsure of is if the players behind us fold and the sb decides to still 3bet i feel compelled to fold yet the pots huge and i want to calldown |
#9
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Re: KJs multiway on a paired flop
I dont think SB is check raising the field on the flop, then leading the turn without an 8 or a K that beats us.
If you raise and he 3 towns, I think this has to be an 8, then you are drawing to 2 outs. I think a raise and fold to any 3 bet is the best play, unless all call your raise and sb 3 bets, then we have 2 outs to hit for one bet in a huge pot. |
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Re: KJs multiway on a paired flop
we have one out at that very most at that point
and for only half the pot if we need to improve if indeed the sb does have an 8 of the three players left in the pot one of them has to at least have a K all we can pray for is that our kicker is best and that also the sb is on a flushdraw and possibly one of the other two is also but at that point the pot is astronimicaly huge and just hope all these ifs are true |
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