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Old 10-07-2007, 10:23 PM
Acein8ter Acein8ter is offline
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Default What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop

No reads. I PFR 3xbb and get one caller. Pretty safe flop and I want to extract as many chips from villain as possible. (I'm pretty sure I'm ahead) I bet ~1/2 and get min-raised. What's your play here?

Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em, 1,000/2,000 Blinds, 250 Ante, 6 Players
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BTN: 26,750
SB: 20,290
BB: 54,553
Hero (UTG): 47,908
MP: 26,047
CO: 94,452

Pre-Flop: (4,500) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to 6,000</font>, MP folds, CO calls 6,000, 3 folds

Flop: (16,500) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets 8,000</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to 16,000</font>, Hero ?
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Old 10-07-2007, 10:32 PM
TroutMaskReplica TroutMaskReplica is offline
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Default Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop

"I want to extract as many chips from villain as possible. (I'm pretty sure I'm ahead)"

think for a bit, call, c/r all in on the turn
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:53 PM
omg im l337 omg im l337 is offline
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Default Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop

Yes you're ahead, and like Mask said, check raise the turn to get the most out of him
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Old 10-08-2007, 12:34 AM
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Default Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop

I think I usually 3bet push here, but call/push is fine too.
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Old 10-08-2007, 01:30 AM
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Default Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop

3bet all in. Anything else is erroneous.
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Old 10-08-2007, 03:23 AM
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Default Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop

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Flop: (16,500) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets 8,000</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to 16,000</font>, Hero ?

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This lead has to be to induce a raise...right? So is the question whether to flatcall and cont to trap, or take it down here/get value with a 3-bet shove? A lot of his range that u beat will not like overcards to his PP on the turn and river, so i'd just get it in now.
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:24 AM
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Default Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop

3-bet shove this. The min-raise is not concerning as it has become a standard play lately by people who doesn't want a call, so they min-raise your continuation bet in order to risk the least amount of chips and make it look scary at the same time.
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:08 AM
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Default Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop

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3bet all in. Anything else is erroneous.

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why is it erroneous? are we scared of him hitting a three or two outer? call let him hang himself on the turn.
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:51 AM
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Default Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop

I don't like a 3bet either. If we push he might be decent enough to lay down some medium pocket pairs which he certainly would have bet on the turn after raising the flop. Furthermore he might think that we have missed the board with OCs and therefore he possibly bluff-raises here.
I think if we c/rAI the turn we get more value by weak hands and bluffs that would fold to a 3bet on the flop.
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Old 10-08-2007, 09:30 AM
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Default Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop

The flop was pretty dry, a rainbow and paired 8's. I think villain would have 3 bet me if he had AA. So I wanted him to think I was making a missed Cbet and just be 1/2 pot. I also wanted to get called.

A few people suggested the turn CRAI which is what I did in this case...


<font color="red">Hero bets 8,000</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to 16,000</font>, Hero calls 8,000

Turn: (48,500) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets 16,000</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to 25,658 and is All-In</font>, CO calls 9,658

River: (99,816) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 99,816 Pot
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Eights) and WON 99,816 (+51,908 NET)
CO showed T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Tens and Eights) and LOST (-47,908 NET)
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