100nl:Tough KK hand against complete unkown

[crunchi]

Villain has just sat down so no reads. He has bought in for 60bb so cant be that great.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $128
BB: $100
Hero (UTG): $133.15
MP: $60.20
CO: $59.50
BTN: $65.70

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, MP calls $3.50, CO calls $3

Flop: ($12) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $8</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $8

<font color="blue"> I think his range includes under pairs and overpairs, a bunch of club draws and a lot of Tx hands ( AT-T8 perhaps?)

I didnt raise because villain will probably 3bet shove his draws, Tx hands and overs. Im not in good shape against this range </font>

Turn: ($28) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $17</font>, Hero calls $17

<font color="blue"> Is a random villain donking turn with an underpair? Is he donking turn with a draw? do i raise? call and hope he bluffs missed draws? just fold? </font>

EDIT: converter messed up, im button, main villain is SB

[Roger Mainfield]

Raise flop/shove turn.

I wouldn't really care what you think this guy has. He has only 60bbs so just get it in, if he flopped trips then gg, cause you have him beat a lot.

What position are you? Action seems to be messed.

[ur54sold]

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Villain has just sat down so no reads. He has bought in for 60bb so cant be that great.

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How do you assume a player is bad or good because of the fact they bought in 60bb oppose to 100bb?? Thats a massive over-assumption.

as far as the hand, muck preflop.

[TwistedEcho]

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Villain has just sat down so no reads. He has bought in for 60bb so cant be that great.

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How do you assume a player is bad or good because of the fact they bought in 60bb oppose to 100bb?? Thats a massive over-assumption.

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not at all, almost everyone who has less than 100bb and doesn't reload sucks

[jafeather]

Raise flop to $30 and take it down there.

As played shove turn.

[Acevader]

I like calling the flop here because you are either well ahead to a PP, well behind to 10x or just ahead to FD with maybe ace over-card. If you raise and villain is good he'll only call when you are beat.

However, if you call and see a safe turn (such as the 5d) then you bet for value if he checks or raise AI if he bets. He still calls you with 10x but is more likely to feel committed with PP's or a FD and is more likely to call with them with even less of a chance of hitting them. If the turn comes a club then you can evaluate your circumstances at the time remembering that you do have a 2nd nut redraw potential.

[Oct0puz]

Villain never has a T here. Everybody who buys in for 60bb sucks and everybody who sucks never leads in to a raiser with trips. Just raise flop or turn as played, for value and to protect your hand.

[Acevader]

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Villain never has a T here. Everybody who buys in for 60bb sucks and everybody who sucks never leads in to a raiser with trips.

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I really don't like that auto-assumption.

[iRockPoker03]

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Villain has just sat down so no reads. He has bought in for 60bb so cant be that great.

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How do you assume a player is bad or good because of the fact they bought in 60bb oppose to 100bb?? Thats a massive over-assumption.

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not at all, almost everyone who has less than 100bb and doesn't reload sucks

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maybe i sound like an idiot but tom dwan bought in for 10k in a 200/400 nl game against david benyamines deepstacked 140k and left with all of db's money

is he just lucky? (no sarcasm intended)

[Jamougha]

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Villain never has a T here. Everybody who buys in for 60bb sucks and everybody who sucks never leads in to a raiser with trips.

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I really don't like that auto-assumption.

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If it's true 99% then the other 1% doesn't really matter.